Park is a joke

[westsussexranger]

Do you support QPR Joon?

No he supports park! This time last year he was a United fan and before that I bet he spoke Dutch as a second language and followed psv eindhoven

[Joon]

Do you support QPR Joon?

Yes. And I closely follow Park and Utd, which is not mutually exclusive with supporting QPR.

[Joon]

Wrong, in his last season at United it was clear for all to see that Fergie had lost faith with Park due to his injury problems, even the fans lost patience with him in a defeat at Old Trafford (either the carling cup or CL) and then there was the defeat at City where he was atrocious and took a lot of the blame for the loss.

Wrong. While it is true that Park disappointed SAF and fans in the City game which determined the outcome of the league title in 2011-2012, SAF started Park in the City game because he still trusted Park to deliver in big games. However, Park had not been given enough playing time at that point and was not in good form, and could not perform well enough in that particular game, so it was a disappointing game for United. If SAF did not trust Park, he would not have started Park (especially since he lacked of recent playing time) over Valencia and Young in perhaps the most crucial game of the season.

Even in his pre injury days Fergie never played Park day in, day out.

Manchester United has a lot of talented players, so most players in the upper half are rotated with a few exceptions (Rooney, C. Ronaldo when he was there, etc.), so "day-in, day-out" does not necessarily mean every week.

Because he is Korean? What an arrogant comment. I have seen him enough down the years playing football in my country and over the last year playing for my team to form my own opinion on him.

You are of course entitled to your own opinion of Park, and I never disputed that. However, who is really being arrogant here? Unless you are also an avid fan of Manchester United and watched their games every week over the years, I'm pretty sure that I've watched more of their games than you have, and I've certainly watched more of Park.

You asked whether I claimed to know Park better than you because I am Korean? Directly, I know him better than you because I've watched him much more closely in more games and with more interest for a longer period of time. Indirectly, I was more interested in Park than you are, and much earlier because he shares my ethnicity, and because I can read the Korean language, I have read more about him than you have from Korean news outlets, and I have watched Park's A matches whereas you have not.

What you are saying is that because you have watched "enough games" in which Park played in "your country", that you are somehow qualified to tell me whether Park's injuries have rendered him useless. The fact is that I myself do not know the exact condition of Park's legs, and you do not know more about it than I do, so of course I will not "take your word for it". As far as I know you are not a medical doctor, and you are not part of the medical team or coaching staff. Furthermore you do not have more knowledge than me about Park from a fan's perspective either. So why should I accept your opinion over mine about Park's legs? Because you are English and these are the English leagues? Watching highlights or the odd Manchester United game does not qualify you to respond in such a way to my claim of more knowledge of said player and club, which I closely followed and you in all likelihood did not.

Yes, he served a purpose in certain games for United, and that was to usually hassle ball playing teams such as Arsenal and unnerve them in midfield.

It usually worked.

Dont go overboard in how instrumental he was to them winning titles.

This also shows that you really have not watched Manchester United closely enough to debate with me about Park's usefulness at United. Off the top of my head, I clearly remember that Park made goals and assists which greatly affected the outcome of 2010-2011 season, and also in previous CL games his goals and assists got United past quarterfinals and semifinals, not to mention his excellent man-marking of Messi and Pirlo on different occasions. Could United have won those without Park's contributions? It's possible, but it was Park that made it happen in those occasions. Furthermore, Park consistently contributed in each season at United.

[MYU]

When the season started Park was voted MOM on here quite a few times.

[Tarbie]

Yes. And I closely follow Park and Utd, which is not mutually exclusive with supporting QPR.

That is sad.......you actually are a fan of 1 player rather than supporting a club!

What you gonna do when he retires?

[Joon]

That is sad.......you actually are a fan of 1 player rather than supporting a club!

What you gonna do when he retires?

It is sad that you cannot read properly.

[Tarbie]

It is sad that you cannot read properly.

I can read properly........are you claiming it's a coincidence that the 2 clubs you have mentioned that you follow are Park's last 2 clubs? You even described yourself as an avid Man Utd fan a few posts earlier. Sorry Joon but for most of us British fans that just ain't how football works. You pick your team, you follow them through thick and thin and you don't deviate. You don't start following a new club because your favourite player has moved there!

[Dazzer1977]

I can read properly........are you claiming it's a coincidence that the 2 clubs you have mentioned that you follow are Park's last 2 clubs? You even described yourself as an avid Man Utd fan a few posts earlier. Sorry Joon but for most of us British fans that just ain't how football works. You pick your team, you follow them through thick and thin and you don't deviate. You don't start following a new club because your favourite player has moved there!

Steady on chaps. After all we are called Queens Park Rangers.

[Joon]

I can read properly........are you claiming it's a coincidence that the 2 clubs you have mentioned that you follow are Park's last 2 clubs? You even described yourself as an avid Man Utd fan a few posts earlier. Sorry Joon but for most of us British fans that just ain't how football works. You pick your team, you follow them through thick and thin and you don't deviate. You don't start following a new club because your favourite player has moved there!

Tarbie, that particular phrase was referring to Northolt, and I was saying something to the effect of "unless [he] was also an avid Manchester United fan" in addition to being a QPR supporter... the "also" in that phrase was not referring to me.

Nonetheless, I was indeed a fan of Manchester United and I still follow the club, although not as much as before. It is no coincidence that I have become a fan of QPR after Park made his transfer, and I have stated this before. I understand it's not "the British way", but why should it be? I am not British, and neither are most football fans. By your logic, QPR should forever be supported by only a small group of British fans because it would be wrong for people to suddenly gain interest in the club for whatever reasons that are "not British". It is fine that you have your way of supporting QPR, but that does not define how other people should become fans or begin to support QPR. Just how do you think Manchester United garnered so many fans worldwide? By the "British way" you described? Of course not.

As for my own following of Manchester United, the situation was different (from QPR) since I did not follow Park nearly as closely until after he made the move to United. Until then, I would occasionally read up on how Park and Young Pyo Lee were faring at PSV under Guus Hiddink (who managed the Korean national team during the 2002 World Cup), but I did not get to watch the games and did not have the same interest level, so I was following the club but not really a fan or supporter of PSV or Park at that point. I followed the Korean national team and watched numerous A matches in which Park played an important role, but I did not get to watch him at the club level.

Park's move to United was big news, and at that point it became possible for me to watch him at the club level, so I did. Over time, I became a fan of Manchester United and also a bigger fan of Park than I had been. Since I was not particularly rooting for any other team in the EPL at the time, it was natural that I came to support Manchester United, a great club.

When Park made his move to QPR, my interest level in him as a player was high enough that I started watching QPR, and gradually less of Manchester United. That is how I became a fan of QPR.

You asked what will I do when Park retires? I presume I will probably continue supporting QPR, but then maybe not. I will just have to wait and see how much of a mark QPR leaves on me, and when the time comes I will know.

I did explain some of the above earlier, but to reiterate, I was first a supporter of the Korean national football team, and I became interested in each of the members of the 2002 Korean national football team which made their fantastic run to the semifinals of the World Cup. One of those players was Park, and he scored an unbelievable goal against Portugal in the group stages, where he trapped an incoming pass with his chest, bounced it up on his knee and volley-shot to score the winner, then ran to Guus Hiddink and gave him a straddling hug. When Park eventually transferred to Manchester United, it was the first time that I felt like watching the English league, so I naturally became a fan of that club. When Park made the move to QPR, it felt natural for me to watch QPR as well, and now I am a QPR fan. I am still following Manchester United, but I don't watch them enough to say I am a supporter of that club anymore.

This may all seem very strange to you, but the world is full of football fans and fans from different parts of the world are exposed to football in different ways. You don't necessarily have to understand it all, but what you should know is that the "British way" you are used to is not the only way.

[Norths]

Yes. And I closely follow Park and Utd, which is not mutually exclusive with supporting QPR.

Says it all really

[MattyRangers]

Joon genuine question; are you Korean?

[Norths]

When the season started Park was voted MOM on here quite a few times.

In those fantastic early season performances? Like Swansea...

[Norths]

Joon genuine question; are you Korean?

Unlike Madara I think you could bet your house on that one

[Norths]

The trouble is fanboys (no offence joon) will never admit to the negative aspects of something they like.

This is the case with Joon and Park.

[Joon]

Joon genuine question; are you Korean?

Ethnically, yes. I did mention it several times, and I thought it would be obvious from my occasional translations.