Some Fans blame Tony, But...

[vblockranger]

Equally how can u be sure it won't ... Nobody knows

All I can say is negativity never got you anywhere ... I'm quite happy to put my trust in him as what is the alternative ..

How about your glass being half full instead of empty

Just suppose some people are more cynical mate...all there is to it. I have never been one for closing my eyes and trusting blindly. Different people different view on it. Nothing against you or your beliefs mate, not having a pop.

[OneEyedWilly]

Just suppose some people are more cynical mate...all there is to it. I have never been one for closing my eyes and trusting blindly. Different people different view on it. Nothing against you or your beliefs mate, not having a pop.

Do you seriously think everyone who is pro TF 'trusts him blindly' and has their head in the sand? I dont think you give enough credit to other people but then that is all part and parcel of being cynical.

[knocker]

How can you socialise with anyone if your head is stuck firmly in the sand ( or up Tonys a rse ) ?

Head not in any sand just sick of a few banging on and on about how bad TF has done. You can't wait for it to go **** up so you can say Told You So.

[QPR Richard]

I blame Hughes and his entourage for a hell of a lot. That said, how on God's Earth can you be SO SURE that TF's vision WILL succeed. I admire your belief in what TF says - however, please excuse me if I ask what exactly you base this belief on and why exactly we should make no mistake in believing in it?

There's a new training ground/academy about to be built, and the money is now in place for a new stadium which Air Asia will sponsor to help pay off the loan.

This cannot be just TF's vision, but that of the whole board. All of the investors are part of the plan and surely must have agreed to it, Amit included.

There has been substantial investment in the playing squad. Admittedly it didn't work, but TF and the board can't be blamed for the performance of the players purchased by the team management. How was anyone to know Bosingwa, Park and Cisse, champions league winners, would underperform?

I think people are concerned because we're in new territory here. We've never been an investing club and have always sold our best players. Our stadium is antiquated and our youth programme needs development.

TF and the board are looking at a long term plan. It would be nice to see them get on with it without constant bitching about it.

[W12_Ranger]

And you know this as fact or are you guessing?

Its called common sense Inspector Morse , something you appear to lack at times!

[QPR Richard]

Look at the debts and our outgoings back then when we were out with the buckets.
Look at our debts and outgoings now.
Buckets aint gonna cut it next time.
Look at the 2 previous seasons and the ineptness and realise that Tony is a gambler. Some maybe happy to have a gambler throwing money at the club but some are a bit more worried if like the previous 2 seasons Tony's gamble doesnt pay off.
I actually think we will have a good season in the Championship as i dont think even Tony could **** up what we already have in place and i think Harry is a decent manager. Fernandes real test will be if we get promoted at the end of the season and we rise back to the prem. Will he be able to control all his urges to "raise the profile" to benefit himself and his other business's again? Learnt his lessons? time will tell.

Ok then, who exactly does the club owe the debt to? I believe the shareholders, NOT some dodgy offshore bank.

If I remember, the shareholders decided to split the investment two ways. Two thirds to TF and his consortium, and a third to Amit/Lakshmi. This is what you're not understanding. They've invested THEIR OWN MONEY. They're risk-taking with their own wedge. They're hardly likely to squander bundles are they? Our owners are highly successful businessmen, not some fly-by-night chanchers.

In time we will have a top-ranking academy and training facility along with a state-of-the-art multi-purpose stadium which will bring new revenues to the club, like stadium sponsorship for example.

Give them a chance to do this instead of resorting to childish name calling.

[vespa]

Head not in any sand just sick of a few banging on and on about how bad TF has done. You can't wait for it to go **** up so you can say Told You So.

It wasnt anyone moaning about TF that started this thread . I can assure you i dont want it to go wrong , i just dont want our future gambled with by a businessman who dosnt understand QPR or our history.

As fans we all want whats best for Rangers , but weve all got different opinions on " what " is best or the way to do it.

[vblockranger]

Ok then, who exactly does the club owe the debt to? I believe the shareholders, NOT some dodgy offshore bank.

If I remember, the shareholders decided to split the investment two ways. Two thirds to TF and his consortium, and a third to Amit/Lakshmi. This is what you're not understanding. They've invested THEIR OWN MONEY. They're risk-taking with their own wedge. They're hardly likely to squander bundles are they? Our owners are highly successful businessmen, not some fly-by-night chanchers.

In time we will have a top-ranking academy and training facility along with a state-of-the-art multi-purpose stadium which will bring new revenues to the club, like stadium sponsorship for example.

Give them a chance to do this instead of resorting to childish name calling.

Debt is debt isnt it? unless you are saying our benefactors are so rich they will just wipe it off if they decide they have had enough of failing, throwing money down the toilet and decide to walk away.? And actually they have managed to squander quite a bit of it only for us to go backwards and end up with a poorer team and relegated from where Warnock and his team got us.
I agree they are highly successful businessmen but Tony seems intent on promoting his other businesses to make a bit more dosh for himself as well interfering trying to raise our global profile when we all might be better off if he took a step back, stayed off twitter to keep the clubs affairs a bit more private and started acting a bit more professionally instead of coming across like some sort of cuddly clown with naivety issues.
Tony loves PR, self promotion and profile raising but if you look at what he has tried his hand at in the sports industry (us and F1) you do wonder when he might decide enough is enough. The guy is just not that good at it, if he had a racehorse it would be a donkey.

[vespa]

Just curious .... Other than the change around of the loft, can you please enlighten me as to what we've lost exactly ???

I didnt say weve lost anything yet ( except money )

[vblockranger]

It wasnt anyone moaning about TF that started this thread . I can assure you i dont want it to go wrong , i just dont want our future gambled with by a businessman who dosnt understand QPR or our history.

As fans we all want whats best for Rangers , but weve all got different opinions on " what " is best or the way to do it.

Same as Vesps

[QPR Richard]

Its called common sense Inspector Morse , something you appear to lack at times!

Still couldn't answer the question. Are you saying you know this as fact then, or perhaps an educated guess based on fact?

Oh, and by the way, common sense has no basis in law. What might seem sensible to one person may not be sensible to another

[vblockranger]

Still couldn't answer the question. Are you saying you know this as fact then, or perhaps an educated guess based on fact?

Oh, and by the way, common sense has no basis in law. What might seem sensible to one person may not be sensible to another

Opinions are sometimes based on educated guesses arent they? Or do you honestly base all yours on what you read about in the papers and hear on the news? i dont believe that btw. Do you not form your OWN opinions?

[QPR Richard]

Debt is debt isnt it? unless you are saying our benefactors are so rich they will just wipe it off if they decide they have had enough of failing, throwing money down the toilet and decide to walk away.? And actually they have managed to squander quite a bit of it only for us to go backwards and end up with a poorer team and relegated from where Warnock and his team got us.
I agree they are highly successful businessmen but Tony seems intent on promoting his other businesses to make a bit more dosh for himself as well interfering trying to raise our global profile when we all might be better off if he took a step back, stayed off twitter to keep the clubs affairs a bit more private and started acting a bit more professionally instead of coming across like some sort of cuddly clown with naivety issues.
Tony loves PR, self promotion and profile raising but if you look at what he has tried his hand at in the sports industry (us and F1) you do wonder when he might decide enough is enough. The guy is just not that good at it, if he had a racehorse it would be a donkey.

Can I ask, are you vehemently opposed to the construction of the new training ground/academy, and the new stadium, which, incidentally, is being sponsored by Air Asia and will eventually pay for itself?

[vblockranger]

Can I ask, are you vehemently opposed to the construction of the new training ground/academy, and the new stadium, which, incidentally, is being sponsored by Air Asia and will eventually pay for itself?

We have been crying out for a new Academy for years and a decent training ground so of course not (has a shovel actually been in the ground yet btw?). Not too keen on Fernandes (have i mentioned that? :-) ) and after looking at his first 2 seasons at owner/chairman i would suggest someone else takes control from the shareholders because Tony couldn't organise a fart in a chilli eating contest and thats being generous.

[QPR Richard]

We have been crying out for a new Academy for years and a decent training ground so of course not (has a shovel actually been in the ground yet btw?). Not too keen on Fernandes (have i mentioned that? :-) ) and after looking at his first 2 seasons at owner/chairman i would suggest someone else takes control from the shareholders because Tony couldn't organise a fart in a chilli eating contest and thats being generous.

You know full well there's been objections to the new training ground and why it's not been started yet. Can't blame TF for that one. That's between the council and the protestors.

As for saying he's a bad organiser, he doesn't seem to have done too bad at Air Asia and Tune has he?

Here's a list of his achievements:

Fernandes has received several awards for his achievements:

International Herald Tribune Award for the "Visionaries & Leadership Series", for his outstanding work in AirAsia;
"Malaysian CEO of the Year 2003" in December 2003; so far awarded to only nine other recipients in the country, by American Express and Business Times. The award was an initiative to recognize entrepreneurial and managerial expertise and performance among leaders of Malaysian corporations.
Named the joint winner of the CEO of the Year 2003 award by American Express Corporate Services and Business Times.
"Emerging Entrepreneur of the Year" in the Ernst & Young "Entrepreneur Of The Year Awards" in 2003;
Made the list of Business Week's "25 Stars of Asia" in 2005.
Malaysian Ernst & Young "Entrepreneur of the Year 2006"
"Excellence In Leadership - Asia Pacific Leadership Awards 2009"
2010 Forbes Asia businessman of the year[39]
2011 No. 52, in FastCompany Top 100 Most Creative People in Business.[40]
Fernandes has also been honoured by the King of Malaysia with the title Tan Sri, Dato' Sri and also by the government of France with the Legion d'Honneur Order.[41] In 2011, according to a Team Lotus press release, Tony Fernandes was awarded a CBE or Commander of the Order of the British Empire "for services to promote commercial and educational links" between Malaysia and the UK.

Not too shabby eh?