Samba

[West Acton]

1 good season with Blackburn and you think he is top drawer?

VBlock I give you Adel. He has had one good season in championship and people are falling over him. Whats the difference between the two plenty want to give Adel not a second chance but a third why not Samba??

[QPRDave]

Samba will stay

[WeAreQPR12]

VBlock I give you Adel. He has had one good season in championship and people are falling over him. Whats the difference between the two plenty want to give Adel not a second chance but a third why not Samba??

I would bet a ton with you west that adel has a much bigger impact next season than Chris Samba?!

[West Acton]

I would bet a ton with you west that adel has a much bigger impact next season than Chris Samba?!

Fair play mate but that all depends on what you determine impact to be. If Adel scores 15 goals but we keep 20 clean sheets whos had the bigger impact???

My point above was that V was suggesting that Samba has only had one decent season in English Footie (he's prob right in fairness) but equally Adel has only had one decent season also so there much a muchness but Adel is getting slack cut where Samba is getting slammed.

If Adel hits double figures next season I would be amazed; those assuming he will have the impact he had previously I think are in for a rude awakening

[vblockranger]

VBlock I give you Adel. He has had one good season in championship and people are falling over him. Whats the difference between the two plenty want to give Adel not a second chance but a third why not Samba??

Adel's good season was with us, i think that is the reason he gets some slack from some. Samba cost us £12 million, is vastly overpriced, is on a fortune in wages and only managed 8 games for us in the second half of last season. Out of them 8 games which ones did he perform like a top 5 centre back in the world or a £12 million defender? He joined 13th January and some claim his poor performances were due to the fact he never reached full fitness by end of season. Tbh if we had paid £4 million for him and he was on half his wages then i wouldnt be so pissed off. Made us look like clowns again for gambling such a huge amount in wages and transfer fee's on a player worth about a third. If he stays and gives 100% thats all i can ask for but imo CHampionship is his level and if we get the chance to get our money back we should be ripping arms off.

[dogsrrs]

Will Adel be here this season I doubt it ,more chance Samba staying my opinion

[LoftusRoadLad]

I for one want the beast on our side.

[WeAreQPR12]

Fair play mate but that all depends on what you determine impact to be. If Adel scores 15 goals but we keep 20 clean sheets whos had the bigger impact???

My point above was that V was suggesting that Samba has only had one decent season in English Footie (he's prob right in fairness) but equally Adel has only had one decent season also so there much a muchness but Adel is getting slack cut where Samba is getting slammed.

If Adel hits double figures next season I would be amazed; those assuming he will have the impact he had previously I think are in for a rude awakening

I think you've missed my point completely west.

Now I have played 25 years as a centre half and I appreciate the art of playing in that position.
There are plenty of assets that make a quality centre half but from what I've seen Samba hasn't shown me too many. If you take Samba out of the side i'd hope we had a decent centre half to cover him. In a sense we could do that now, I mean the last few games minus Samba I didn't see a great deal of difference.

The difference with Adel is if you take him out of the side we lose an awful lot.
That vision that ability to bring other players into the game.
Yes Adel didn't have a great season but he's been badly managed imo and not played in his role.
A free role is the best position for Adel and Warnock saw that, I don't just blame adel although because people question is attitude they think it's the answer.
There is not 1 player in our squad that is a match winner in the same way adel is and I disagree, with consistent games where he can get match fit he will take the **** out of championship players.

[kron-1664]

takes the geezer 25 minutes to turn around in the dressing room at half time. On top of that his distribution is poor and he looks terrified when in possesion. Just saying if get offered decent money then sell him and buy a couple of equally good defenders.

I've seen Seasons turn quicker than the lump , still get a decent preseason under his belt and some Alli and he might be half decent

[West Acton]

I think you've missed my point completely west.

Now I have played 25 years as a centre half and I appreciate the art of playing in that position.
There are plenty of assets that make a quality centre half but from what I've seen Samba hasn't shown me too many. If you take Samba out of the side i'd hope we had a decent centre half to cover him. In a sense we could do that now, I mean the last few games minus Samba I didn't see a great deal of difference.

The difference with Adel is if you take him out of the side we lose an awful lot.
That vision that ability to bring other players into the game.
Yes Adel didn't have a great season but he's been badly managed imo and not played in his role.
A free role is the best position for Adel and Warnock saw that, I don't just blame adel although because people question is attitude they think it's the answer.
There is not 1 player in our squad that is a match winner in the same way adel is and I disagree, with consistent games where he can get match fit he will take the **** out of championship players.

We will have to agree to disagree mate. You mention taking him out the side and we will loose well he has been in the side four the last two seasons and we have lost alot. Could he have been managed better probably could he himself have done more himself and taken responsibility to make himself better yes, did he no.

So we basically have a player that can only perform if everything is built round him lets assume we do this and it works in championship again and we come up then what. He's proved he cannot cut it at the top flight so do we then have another poor season with him in prem go down then give him free role to get us up a third time??

It's all about opinions mate and I respect yours on adel just don't agree with it. Serious question what makes you think he will do so well next season when he has been unable to motivate himself in the biggest league in the world??

[WeAreQPR12]

He will do well because there is a massive gulf between the premiership and championship football.

Also the championship lacks real quality imo and I think our championship proved that.
Don't get me wrong it won't be easy to get back up but adel has far too much ability for very average championship defenders to handle.

Watching the americans we can carry this on another time mate but I love flair and championship sides struggles against it

[West Acton]

He will do well because there is a massive gulf between the premiership and championship football.

Also the championship lacks real quality imo and I think our championship proved that.
Don't get me wrong it won't be easy to get back up but adel has far too much ability for very average championship defenders to handle.

Watching the americans we can carry this on another time mate but I love flair and championship sides struggles against it

Fair play buddy enjoy movie. But when we pick this up (should prob be on another thread as this was about samba ha ha) are you saying then that he is only a championship player and basically as they say in cricket a flat track bully?

[QPRDave]

I think you've missed my point completely west.

Now I have played 25 years as a centre half and I appreciate the art of playing in that position.
There are plenty of assets that make a quality centre half but from what I've seen Samba hasn't shown me too many. If you take Samba out of the side i'd hope we had a decent centre half to cover him. In a sense we could do that now, I mean the last few games minus Samba I didn't see a great deal of difference.

The difference with Adel is if you take him out of the side we lose an awful lot.
That vision that ability to bring other players into the game.
Yes Adel didn't have a great season but he's been badly managed imo and not played in his role.
A free role is the best position for Adel and Warnock saw that, I don't just blame adel although because people question is attitude they think it's the answer.
There is not 1 player in our squad that is a match winner in the same way adel is and I disagree, with consistent games where he can get match fit he will take the **** out of championship players.

Weare i respect your opinion ok, but reading Neil Warnock's book and it's clear a free role alone wasn't the reason that made Adel so successful that season, it was a great great deal of patience from
the management and players alike. Adel was fantastic that season no denying and should have thinking back been awarded our player of the year too, but he couldn't do it without the whole
team told to accommodate him in all aspects.
I think it can be argued if you take him out of the side you gain an awful lot too

[Stanley]

Samba cost us £12 million, is vastly overpriced, is on a fortune in wages and only managed 8 games for us in the second half of last season.

But it's common knowledge he was unfit when we bought him.

Why not give him a full pre-season under Harry & co. to get him fully fit and THEN judge him, before completely slating him?

[QPR Richard]

Redknapp is on record as saying Fernandes asked harry if he would like Samba if we could get him and Harry snapped his arm off. Redknapps own words

This is the thing. Despite any evidence which would confirm that HR wanted Samba, Vblock STILL insists he was signed at the behest of TF and not HR. Even though there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that TF gives managers money to spend on players of their choosing, Vblock will not accept this and thinks TF is selecting players for the squad.

And to cap it all, he says these things without a shred of evidence to support his opinions. It's just blind hatred of TF. What else could it be?

Come on Vblock, give us some evidence-based opinions for once, instead of shooting from the hip.