If the going rate is 15m for Zaha..

[silvercue]

Talent is worthless if a player hasn't got the attitude and work ethic to back it up.

The fact is to live in the Premiership, in the long run none of Taarabt, Derry or Hill are good enough. I'd still have grafters over players with attitudes like Taarabt's any day of the week!

Yes amd work ethic is useless if you have no talent.....not sure why anyone thinks people like Derry, Mackie and Hill are any use whatsoever when we are up against a team that can play a bit of football. I would try hard too - doesn't mean I should be playing.

[Tarbie]

Yes amd work ethic is useless if you have no talent.....not sure why anyone thinks people like Derry, Mackie and Hill are any use whatsoever when we are up against a team that can play a bit of football. I would try hard too - doesn't mean I should be playing.

Look at Stoke City, at best 3 or 4 players in any starting line up that are genuinely talented enough for the Premier League yet they've been in the league for 6 seasons running. Why?.........Because they have a game plan and they graft.

Fill a team with players like Adel and try and do the same!

[West Acton]

we have very different opinions and I doubt we will see eye to eye on this if you believe Hill and Derry are actually any good. Average championship players and one of the main reasons we have been relegated is that we have too many players that are no where near good enough for the Prem. Some fans love a grafter - even if they are awful.

Give me Adel over those 2 any day.

I never said they were good Silver rather you know what your going to get from them week in week out so to some extent you can argue there reliable and dependable, I take on board your views but do think your being unkind to them suggesting there the main reasons for us dropping its a team game after all.

If I was pushed to point the finger at players that contributed more to us going down between those two and Adel im afraid its Adel every time. Missed one on one against Reading, missed one on one against Man City, Missed Pen against Norwich, ducked out of the wall against Wigan, Stoke away one on one with keeper chips ball instead of blazing it there's 9 points there alone; hes also cost us goals this season too Man Utd at home caught in procession with the ball at the edge of the box did he battle to get the ball back no he never he turned jogged and watched Raphel welly the ball into the top corner.

I have watched him very closely this season and he really is not all that hes all about the tricks when the FA change the rules where we get points for step overs give him 90mins until then I cant see a place for him.

For me I would rather have Derry or Hill giving me a regular standard of performance then Adel turning up every 10 games (im being generous) as at that ratio you get three or four decent games a season. If I want to see someone juggling a ball I can go up Covent Garden and watch it for free but football at the end of the day is about winning and if that means a player does one step over but sets up a goal instead of two step overs and a nutmeg resulting in a weak shot or getting disposed so be it

[West Acton]

Yes amd work ethic is useless if you have no talent.....not sure why anyone thinks people like Derry, Mackie and Hill are any use whatsoever when we are up against a team that can play a bit of football. I would try hard too - doesn't mean I should be playing.

But this talent you refer where has it been the last two years????

[silvercue]

But this talent you refer where has it been the last two years????

maybe it has been with every other outfield players cotribution - nowhere.

As I said - we are not ever going to agree on this West Acton, so not sure there is much more point going round it.

[MattyRangers]

But this is the reason we keep having the same old argument.........people that go on like Adel is going to be a world beater. I'm sure every negative comment about Adel that you find so boring is a response to somebody who seems to think he is worth 20 million quid or he's going to score 20 goals next season!

Don't see why you think he wouldn't score 20 mate, he got 19 last time? I agree, he is no world beater as the last 2 years have shown, but I'd still say he is our most talented player and the 1 we should be looking to keep for next season to maximise our chances of bouncing straight back up.

Hear and with you mate apologies for the misunderstanding

[WeAreQPR12]

But this talent you refer where has it been the last two years????

West I respect your opinion but I think you're being far too harsh on Adel.

1stly he is nowhere near the worst player in our squad and if we really want to go to town regarding performances then I would like to target M'bia, who is possibly 1 of the worst centre midfielders I have ever seen play premier league football. A player that is playing well beyond his ability.

Adel imo has been playing is what clearly is a shocking side, that has 25/6 points all season and has finished below Reading. Adel can't be blamed so harshly because Harry hasn't played him every week, yet I find myself watching m'bia and it is a very sad site to see. I'd rather see adel make mistakes trying something then watch m'bia do every basic wrong. I think silvers point is very fair, where we should look at a fair few players this season well before we look at adel.

[TBLOCKRANGER]

Come on this single handed is tosh he played a big part of course but we still have to thank Foulin Walker Derry Hill who all played a major role in promotion ina side that played around Adel

If you read my post properly you will note I say almost single handedly, I specifically added the almost due to the contributions of others like walker, hill, derry etc and also in the hope it stopped posters from saying "single handed is tosh", but clearly I failed.

[West Acton]

West I respect your opinion but I think you're being far too harsh on Adel.

1stly he is nowhere near the worst player in our squad and if we really want to go to town regarding performances then I would like to target M'bia, who is possibly 1 of the worst centre midfielders I have ever seen play premier league football. A player that is playing well beyond his ability.

Adel imo has been playing is what clearly is a shocking side, that has 25/6 points all season and has finished below Reading. Adel can't be blamed so harshly because Harry hasn't played him every week, yet I find myself watching m'bia and it is a very sad site to see. I'd rather see adel make mistakes trying something then watch m'bia do every basic wrong. I think silvers point is very fair, where we should look at a fair few players this season well before we look at adel.

I know this probably sounds strange to hear after my views but I do actually like the guy and would love nothing more then for him to turn out for us next season and have a blinding season and for everyone to say there you go West Acton shove that in your pipe I would truly love it.

He has ability I have never seen down at Rangers before but whats the point in the ability if you don't have the stomach hes wasting his career and that's why I am so hard on him I suppose. When Derry hangs his boots up he can say he wrung out every ounce of ability and effort he had and was blessed with, Adel will hang his boots up and look back with regrets of what could have been especially if he ends up in an out post of the UAE. Mbia you are right about I initially thought he was going to be a player but he is pants get shot in my book.

The lack of game play that Adel has had is his own fault as with the right work ethic he would get in the side without the flicks and tricks as when he is on song he has the ability to change the game in a split second. He should be every managers dream if he grafted as his ability+graft would put him in the leagues with Bale, Messi and Ronaldo I honestly believe that but without the graft hes just another player

Dare I say hes actually missed Barton this season barking and driving him as he best period last season was the run in when Barton was constantly questioning him perhaps that drove him on???

Like Silver said I think this is one which we all will fail to agree on so I will try and step back and bite my tongue

[Tarbie]

I know this probably sounds strange to hear after my views but I do actually like the guy and would love nothing more then for him to turn out for us next season and have a blinding season and for everyone to say there you go West Acton shove that in your pipe I would truly love it.

He has ability I have never seen down at Rangers before but whats the point in the ability if you don't have the stomach hes wasting his career and that's why I am so hard on him I suppose. When Derry hangs his boots up he can say he wrung out every ounce of ability and effort he had and was blessed with, Adel will hang his boots up and look back with regrets of what could have been especially if he ends up in an out post of the UAE. Mbia you are right about I initially thought he was going to be a player but he is pants get shot in my book.

The lack of game play that Adel has had is his own fault as with the right work ethic he would get in the side without the flicks and tricks as when he is on song he has the ability to change the game in a split second. He should be every managers dream if he grafted as his ability+graft would put him in the leagues with Bale, Messi and Ronaldo I honestly believe that but without the graft hes just another player

Dare I say hes actually missed Barton this season barking and driving him as he best period last season was the run in when Barton was constantly questioning him perhaps that drove him on???

Like Silver said I think this is one which we all will fail to agree on so I will try and step back and bite my tongue

Bang on again mate!

[Tarbie]

Don't see why you think he wouldn't score 20 mate, he got 19 last time?

I've already said earlier in this thread that I can't see that happening and I've explained why I think that!

[vblockranger]

Spoke to someone who works in the pro game (a premiership scout) about Adel a couple of months ago and he said if Adel upped his fitness by 20%, cut out the showboating and attitude and also gained a few yards of pace he might have a shot at a mid table prem club (like a Newcastle he actually said). He also said Zaha would go on and become a regular England international.

[LoftusRoadLad]

Why should Adel carry the rest of the team ? He was the top gun of the championship not just for us then a load of players came in on silly dosh nowhere near Adels money who aint fit to lace his boots.
Now he musta thought well wheres the appreciation to him.. wheres my money ?
Those players should have made Adels job easier, not having to rely on him to carry the team.
If I was a carpenter and a new guy came in on more dosh then me and I see him making 100 Windows too small I would say F all till he finished...same thing.
Too many divisions in the dressing room has messed with Adel. His ability is there he just needs a unified team.

[LoftusRoadLad]

Why should Adel carry the rest of the team ? He was the top gun of the championship not just for us then a load of players came in on silly dosh nowhere near Adels money who aint fit to lace his boots.
Now he musta thought well wheres the appreciation to him.. wheres my money ?
Those players should have made Adels job easier, not having to rely on him to carry the team.
If I was a carpenter and a new guy came in on more dosh then me and I see him making 100 Windows too small I would say F all till he finished...same thing.
Too many divisions in the dressing room has messed with Adel. His ability is there he just needs a unified team.

[West Acton]

Spoke to someone who works in the pro game (a premiership scout) about Adel a couple of months ago and he said if Adel upped his fitness by 20%, cut out the showboating and attitude and also gained a few yards of pace he might have a shot at a mid table prem club (like a Newcastle he actually said). He also said Zaha would go on and become a regular England international.

You know what that more or less sums up what a fan looks for (to be entertained) against what a manager/club looks for (teamplayer)

Would be interesting if QPR came out and said were letting Adel go on a free if any of the top four would show any interest???