Good debate on the Indy Site

[Robsondinho]

Good read pblock.

[paulmason]

Yes.

And wrongly or rightly as of that he thinks Gianni is Beelzebub, Anubis, Swine Flu, The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse, Pikies, Darth Vadar and Frank Lampard rolled into one.

He is a ruislip boy and I seem to remember reading something On indrys (can someone post it) by his dad on explaining why they went to portsmouth. I did not think he was sold though it was more to do with the coaching at QPR and progression.

[ScottJones]

He is a ruislip boy and I seem to remember reading something On indrys (can someone post it) by his dad on explaining why they went to portsmouth. I did not think he was sold though it was more to do with the coaching at QPR and progression.

If you've some anti depresents ready you can go through dangerous' posts mate and see what he has said about that situation oh and the load of lies he likes to make up.

He gets so bad that this happened

FAO: DANGEROUS

Gary
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:22 pm
Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:19 pm
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My name is Gary Doyle, the First Team Kit Man here at QPR. I read your comments under the subject ‘BIRCHAM CLAIMS TRAINING GROUND WAS CLOSED’ with interest.

You specifically state: ‘Maybe you should ask the kit man. He climbed the gate to get in that day. He also went to Makro to buy washing power with his own cash because the club’s credit was cancelled….’

Firstly, I would be very interested to know how you believe this to be true? For the record, it is completely false. What’s more, if you have ever been to the training ground you will know there is a sidegate next to the main gate for people on foot. So why exactly would I climb the locked gate for cars?

Since we have been at Harlington we have NEVER missed a training session due to the gates being locked.

Such blatantly false accusations could cost me my job, therefore my income to support my family as your comments imply you have spoken directly with me. As at all football clubs, employees adhere to important rules regarding keeping certain matters in-house.

This is the first and last time I will be making any comments on any messageboards.

Gary Doyle.
QPR Kit Man

[Shamie]

Yes.

Beelzebub, Anubis, Swine Flu, The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse, Pikies, Darth Vadar and Frank Lampard

Not really being fair on the rest lumping them in with Fat Frank like that.

Shame on you.:bad_smile:

[Youvebeenrangered]

Some of the things I have read to me seem a bit unfair whilst others seem to be fairly close to the point.

Let’s be honest Paladini is never going to be everyone’s cup of tea, and I think one fundamental problem with Paladini is that he tries to be all things to all people. Trying to appease people seemingly listen to their view but then do almost the complete opposite. The fact is at QPR the fans are divided, have been for a number of years and this has increased even more so in the last few years. Now don’t get me wrong having people to speak up on issues of concern is great and believe me I’m all for it, but how many supporters groups do we have? LSA, Friends Of QPR , We are QPR, OSC etc. In fighting amongst these groups has been highlighted in Message boards and fanzines over a long period of time so to say Paladini has ‘split the fans’ is a touch unfair as we seem to be doing a pretty good job of it ourselves. Solely responsible – no way, part of the problem – more than likely.

Some have in the past levelled things at Paladini that he lied to the fans etc. Now whilst I would say without doubt that some of the things that have come out of his mouth have been less than honest, to give a balanced view he can’t tell the fans everything. When the rumours were abound about Training Ground being locked, Red letters arriving at the club on a daily basis, some slammed Paladini for not being honest. The point they miss that is in a business (and unfortunately that’s what football now is) you sometimes have to play your Poker face. In no way are you going to openly admit that the club is stuffed as you then have clubs offering tiny amounts for players who are clearly worth a lot more. I agree it’s not the best for us the fans but sometimes that is the way it is, we can’t expect everything to be divulged regarding club finances.

The 3rd thing in defence is saying that he ran the club into the ground. It’s a bit like blaming Alistair Darling for the economy. Yep sure some of the measures he introduced were less than successful but the guys before him had done a hell of a lot more damage, that in all honesty left a lot of the club with problems that we will be paying for a long time. Paladini is a bit of a chancer make no mistake, a Walter Mitty character if you like. The Wright administration and partly Thompson had left the club with massive debt. The dodgy dealings of Wright appointing his own administrators (one of who was later struck off) and therefore getting most if not all his money back. The sale of the training ground to Wright for a lot less than the true market value. Youth players being offered Six figure salaries and then making no more than a handful of 1st team appearances was also a mainstay of the Wright / Davies era. Anybody coming into that mess and without substantial money is going to struggle, I’m sure Paladini would admit some things could have been done better but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

One of the main problems in Football these days is the media age we live in, imagine if you will Jim Gregory’s reign. Now I’m not trying to claim that Paladini has done anywhere near as much as Gregory, but let’s face it Jim had a touch of the Arthur Daley’s about him. Could you imagine his reign in today’s media age? Going through Managers at a fairly alarming rate on occasions, selling big players and then replacing them with not so great one’s, trying to merge us with Fulham and God knows what else. I certainly don’t think he would be held in such high esteem as he still is. The problem with messageboards etc is that if one person posts a ‘well I heard on good authority that....... ‘within 30 minutes it is gospel and then people start arguing with people when it doesn’t happen. Years ago some bloke told it to another in the pub, and in all likelyhood that’s where it stays. No some of these ‘rumours’ are fairly harmless, is Ched Evans still on the bus Pete? There are others which are made up off the back of the 2nd / 3rd hand scenario or for more darker reasons, but they are hard to prove either way but mud does stick
I think Marvin Gaye once said ‘People say believe half of what you see, Son, and none of what you hear’ and I think that’s the point. How many of us really know the true ins and outs of everything or are they going of what they were told, 2nd or 3rd hand?

Has Paladini made mistakes, yes, many. Padula contract, the whole court case thing and many others. All of which could and possibly should have resulted in him being sacked. The problem was that he was the Chairman and wasn’t going to sack himself. Calliendo it seemed had little interest in the running of the club and I think was basically Paladini’s patsy if you like. Since Flavio has come in we have had a few less than great signings Ageymangs 4.5 year deal, well he must have been on crack when signing that one off! He has though (again to restore balance) managed to get in some Good ones, Connolly, Cerny, Buz etc.

I personally don’t think Paladini is some God Like creature as some do, nor do I subscribe to the fact he is Satan himself. The guy came in and whilst he was Chairman we didn’t go into admin, it certainly was a close thing but we didn’t. I would have liked to have seen him thanked for his efforts and moved on. I don’t believe he is the right man for a Director of Football role and really don’t see what he brings to the table in terms of expertise.

I would like to see someone of real calibre come in and do that role, or do away with it and leave to the manager.

Agree, fantastic post.

[rblockells]

Some of the things I have read to me seem a bit unfair whilst others seem to be fairly close to the point.

Let’s be honest Paladini is never going to be everyone’s cup of tea, and I think one fundamental problem with Paladini is that he tries to be all things to all people. Trying to appease people seemingly listen to their view but then do almost the complete opposite. The fact is at QPR the fans are divided, have been for a number of years and this has increased even more so in the last few years. Now don’t get me wrong having people to speak up on issues of concern is great and believe me I’m all for it, but how many supporters groups do we have? LSA, Friends Of QPR , We are QPR, OSC etc. In fighting amongst these groups has been highlighted in Message boards and fanzines over a long period of time so to say Paladini has ‘split the fans’ is a touch unfair as we seem to be doing a pretty good job of it ourselves. Solely responsible – no way, part of the problem – more than likely.

Some have in the past levelled things at Paladini that he lied to the fans etc. Now whilst I would say without doubt that some of the things that have come out of his mouth have been less than honest, to give a balanced view he can’t tell the fans everything. When the rumours were abound about Training Ground being locked, Red letters arriving at the club on a daily basis, some slammed Paladini for not being honest. The point they miss that is in a business (and unfortunately that’s what football now is) you sometimes have to play your Poker face. In no way are you going to openly admit that the club is stuffed as you then have clubs offering tiny amounts for players who are clearly worth a lot more. I agree it’s not the best for us the fans but sometimes that is the way it is, we can’t expect everything to be divulged regarding club finances.

The 3rd thing in defence is saying that he ran the club into the ground. It’s a bit like blaming Alistair Darling for the economy. Yep sure some of the measures he introduced were less than successful but the guys before him had done a hell of a lot more damage, that in all honesty left a lot of the club with problems that we will be paying for a long time. Paladini is a bit of a chancer make no mistake, a Walter Mitty character if you like. The Wright administration and partly Thompson had left the club with massive debt. The dodgy dealings of Wright appointing his own administrators (one of who was later struck off) and therefore getting most if not all his money back. The sale of the training ground to Wright for a lot less than the true market value. Youth players being offered Six figure salaries and then making no more than a handful of 1st team appearances was also a mainstay of the Wright / Davies era. Anybody coming into that mess and without substantial money is going to struggle, I’m sure Paladini would admit some things could have been done better but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

One of the main problems in Football these days is the media age we live in, imagine if you will Jim Gregory’s reign. Now I’m not trying to claim that Paladini has done anywhere near as much as Gregory, but let’s face it Jim had a touch of the Arthur Daley’s about him. Could you imagine his reign in today’s media age? Going through Managers at a fairly alarming rate on occasions, selling big players and then replacing them with not so great one’s, trying to merge us with Fulham and God knows what else. I certainly don’t think he would be held in such high esteem as he still is. The problem with messageboards etc is that if one person posts a ‘well I heard on good authority that....... ‘within 30 minutes it is gospel and then people start arguing with people when it doesn’t happen. Years ago some bloke told it to another in the pub, and in all likelyhood that’s where it stays. No some of these ‘rumours’ are fairly harmless, is Ched Evans still on the bus Pete? There are others which are made up off the back of the 2nd / 3rd hand scenario or for more darker reasons, but they are hard to prove either way but mud does stick
I think Marvin Gaye once said ‘People say believe half of what you see, Son, and none of what you hear’ and I think that’s the point. How many of us really know the true ins and outs of everything or are they going of what they were told, 2nd or 3rd hand?

Has Paladini made mistakes, yes, many. Padula contract, the whole court case thing and many others. All of which could and possibly should have resulted in him being sacked. The problem was that he was the Chairman and wasn’t going to sack himself. Calliendo it seemed had little interest in the running of the club and I think was basically Paladini’s patsy if you like. Since Flavio has come in we have had a few less than great signings Ageymangs 4.5 year deal, well he must have been on crack when signing that one off! He has though (again to restore balance) managed to get in some Good ones, Connolly, Cerny, Buz etc.

I personally don’t think Paladini is some God Like creature as some do, nor do I subscribe to the fact he is Satan himself. The guy came in and whilst he was Chairman we didn’t go into admin, it certainly was a close thing but we didn’t. I would have liked to have seen him thanked for his efforts and moved on. I don’t believe he is the right man for a Director of Football role and really don’t see what he brings to the table in terms of expertise.

I would like to see someone of real calibre come in and do that role, or do away with it and leave to the manager.

What a perceptive post-that sums up how a lot of us feel,having discussed all of this over and over again.A number of us have met GP and he is charming and comes across as "one of us".However many senior people within football are not so sure about him and his methods.Obviously I am not going to name names,but i have it on very good authority that he is viewed within the game as,shall we say,economical with the truth.