Starting to like what I'm hearing

[QPR Richard]

Haven't built nothing yet and a fool is easily parted with his money.

Other than that spectacular job his done so far

I'd hardly call Fernandes a fool. He's done pretty well in his business career, with respect, probably better than you or I. It's fair to say the projects he has planned i.e. the training ground and stadium will obviously take a number of years to construct.

Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

[knocker]

I'd love to know who all the TF detractors have in mind to take over if they get their way and he's driven out. Im sure they are queuing around the block.

[W12_Ranger]

I'd hardly call Fernandes a fool. He's done pretty well in his business career, with respect, probably better than you or I. It's fair to say the projects he has planned i.e. the training ground and stadium will obviously take a number of years to construct.

Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

When it comes to football Fernandes has been made to look a complete fool, his other business interests I care not

Rome wasn't built on quick sand either

[MrSwakeley]

It's amazing... anyone who doesn't fall hook, line and sinker for everything that Tony Fernandes says is automatically denounced as a detractor. Is it really so spiteful and unlyal to have some doubts????

I don't particularly blame Fernandes for our relegation but in any organisation, the top man takes some responsibility for poor business performance - to absolve him of any responsibility is quite plainly ludicrous; even Tony himself has accepted some blame!!!!

Yet again, having a decent training ground and academy is a GOOD thing, a very good thing in fact; but the fact that this is being set up doesn't automatically make TF a God who cannot be questioned about anything... and equally so it doesn't suddenly make us a top club - it merely brings us to the same level as the majority of the teams in the top two divisions (albeit very late).

Now to the ground. LR is indeed a sh!thole, albeit one with some very happy memories. We should have moved years ago, so I welcome anyone proposing to move us into the 21st century. So I'm not that what TF and co are proposing is anything other than a good thing; however I am questioning their underlying motives.

Southampton is oft quoted as an example of a club moving to a much bigger stadium which they frequently filled. However, it's an ingenuous comparison – they have a much bigger catchment area for support. And don't forget, not long after the stadium was built, they went into administration and nearly folded.

QPR FC does not need a 40,000 ground, so why is one being proposed? Undoubtedly, to get in revenue from a multi-purpose stadium. And where will that revenue go to exactly? To some on here, they seem to think it will go the QPR FC without question. Why??? It'll go into the pockets of the investors - that's why they are doing it, that's the primary reason they bought into the club and have invested so much in it. Now, there's nothing wrong in that per se - you invest money in order to get a return. But I question whether this will ultimately be to the benefit of my football club. The doomsday scenario, if you like, will have us rattling around in a big stadium in League 1, paying rent and having very few assets to our name. I don't want this to happen of course but I've been involved in football enough over the past 40 years to know that it's wise to view things from both sides. I repeat, will this 40,000 ground (partly financed by the sale of Loftus Road) be owned by QPR FC, or by the people who own QPR - that is a big and fundamental difference.

So why do I question any of this? Purely because I have fears of us being used as a means to an end, which ultimately change the face and character of the club. The leaks about the super-duper ground, as have been passed on on here, have come from the club (der, obviously) but have been deliberately done so; I know this, as some of it indirectly been passed on to me. The club, and TF in particular, is fantastic at getting supporters onside - once again, nothing wrong in that, but I would suggest that some need to see it for what it is, PR.

All this news is POTENTIALLY very good, but that's all it is at the moment. Surely, it is not unreasonable to at least air possible concerns, even if they ultimately prove to be unfounded?

[Norths]

Very good post Swakely.

[stainrodisalegend]

At the moment we own Loftus Rd, if we dont own this new stadium , we will not have a secure future. Just like Coventry.
Tony Fernades has only been associated with QPR for the last couple of ( dire) seasons , but we are supposed to trust him with the long term future of the club.

How do "we" own our current stadium? And how will the ownership be different if its a new stadium? Any stadium we play in (Loftus Rd or a new one) will be owned by the club's owners, with or without a loan for which they will be personally liable.

[vblockranger]

Top post Swakeley.....call me cynical but i dont trust Fernandes and i dont think we are top of his list of priorities when it comes to this venue he wants.

[stainrodisalegend]

It's amazing... anyone who doesn't fall hook, line and sinker for everything that Tony Fernandes says is automatically denounced as a detractor. Is it really so spiteful and unlyal to have some doubts????

I don't particularly blame Fernandes for our relegation but in any organisation, the top man takes some responsibility for poor business performance - to absolve him of any responsibility is quite plainly ludicrous; even Tony himself has accepted some blame!!!!

Yet again, having a decent training ground and academy is a GOOD thing, a very good thing in fact; but the fact that this is being set up doesn't automatically make TF a God who cannot be questioned about anything... and equally so it doesn't suddenly make us a top club - it merely brings us to the same level as the majority of the teams in the top two divisions (albeit very late).

Now to the ground. LR is indeed a sh!thole, albeit one with some very happy memories. We should have moved years ago, so I welcome anyone proposing to move us into the 21st century. So I'm not that what TF and co are proposing is anything other than a good thing; however I am questioning their underlying motives.

Southampton is oft quoted as an example of a club moving to a much bigger stadium which they frequently filled. However, it's an ingenuous comparison – they have a much bigger catchment area for support. And don't forget, not long after the stadium was built, they went into administration and nearly folded.

QPR FC does not need a 40,000 ground, so why is one being proposed? Undoubtedly, to get in revenue from a multi-purpose stadium. And where will that revenue go to exactly? To some on here, they seem to think it will go the QPR FC without question. Why??? It'll go into the pockets of the investors - that's why they are doing it, that's the primary reason they bought into the club and have invested so much in it. Now, there's nothing wrong in that per se - you invest money in order to get a return. But I question whether this will ultimately be to the benefit of my football club. The doomsday scenario, if you like, will have us rattling around in a big stadium in League 1, paying rent and having very few assets to our name. I don't want this to happen of course but I've been involved in football enough over the past 40 years to know that it's wise to view things from both sides. I repeat, will this 40,000 ground (partly financed by the sale of Loftus Road) be owned by QPR FC, or by the people who own QPR - that is a big and fundamental difference.

So why do I question any of this? Purely because I have fears of us being used as a means to an end, which ultimately change the face and character of the club. The leaks about the super-duper ground, as have been passed on on here, have come from the club (der, obviously) but have been deliberately done so; I know this, as some of it indirectly been passed on to me. The club, and TF in particular, is fantastic at getting supporters onside - once again, nothing wrong in that, but I would suggest that some need to see it for what it is, PR.

All this news is POTENTIALLY very good, but that's all it is at the moment. Surely, it is not unreasonable to at least air possible concerns, even if they ultimately prove to be unfounded?

So you expect the owners to continue to pump tens of millions of pounds into the club year on year to buy players who will perform in front of circa 16,000 people? Why shouldn't the owners seek to make money on the side out of cinemas etc? If it goes into a separate account that is their business. The bottom line is they are far more likely to invest in the football club if it is part of a larger profit making - or potentially profit making - concern than if it just leaches money, as at the moment. Do you think there is a single modern owner - possibly the Wigan owner aside - who does not think in terms of growing all aspects of the business? And what is wrong with that? If you want purity and a nice local owner then fine, but don't expect investment and potential return to the Premier League as well. In the modern world you simply can't have both. Its pretty obvious, right?

[QPR Richard]

When it comes to football Fernandes has been made to look a complete fool, his other business interests I care not

Rome wasn't built on quick sand either

Yes a new training ground/academy plus a new stadium will be built on quick sand.

So who do you want running our club then?

[OneEyedWilly]

It's amazing... anyone who doesn't fall hook, line and sinker for everything that Tony Fernandes says is automatically denounced as a detractor. Is it really so spiteful and unlyal to have some doubts????

I don't particularly blame Fernandes for our relegation but in any organisation, the top man takes some responsibility for poor business performance - to absolve him of any responsibility is quite plainly ludicrous; even Tony himself has accepted some blame!!!!

Yet again, having a decent training ground and academy is a GOOD thing, a very good thing in fact; but the fact that this is being set up doesn't automatically make TF a God who cannot be questioned about anything... and equally so it doesn't suddenly make us a top club - it merely brings us to the same level as the majority of the teams in the top two divisions (albeit very late).

Now to the ground. LR is indeed a sh!thole, albeit one with some very happy memories. We should have moved years ago, so I welcome anyone proposing to move us into the 21st century. So I'm not that what TF and co are proposing is anything other than a good thing; however I am questioning their underlying motives.

Southampton is oft quoted as an example of a club moving to a much bigger stadium which they frequently filled. However, it's an ingenuous comparison – they have a much bigger catchment area for support. And don't forget, not long after the stadium was built, they went into administration and nearly folded.

QPR FC does not need a 40,000 ground, so why is one being proposed? Undoubtedly, to get in revenue from a multi-purpose stadium. And where will that revenue go to exactly? To some on here, they seem to think it will go the QPR FC without question. Why??? It'll go into the pockets of the investors - that's why they are doing it, that's the primary reason they bought into the club and have invested so much in it. Now, there's nothing wrong in that per se - you invest money in order to get a return. But I question whether this will ultimately be to the benefit of my football club. The doomsday scenario, if you like, will have us rattling around in a big stadium in League 1, paying rent and having very few assets to our name. I don't want this to happen of course but I've been involved in football enough over the past 40 years to know that it's wise to view things from both sides. I repeat, will this 40,000 ground (partly financed by the sale of Loftus Road) be owned by QPR FC, or by the people who own QPR - that is a big and fundamental difference.

So why do I question any of this? Purely because I have fears of us being used as a means to an end, which ultimately change the face and character of the club. The leaks about the super-duper ground, as have been passed on on here, have come from the club (der, obviously) but have been deliberately done so; I know this, as some of it indirectly been passed on to me. The club, and TF in particular, is fantastic at getting supporters onside - once again, nothing wrong in that, but I would suggest that some need to see it for what it is, PR.

All this news is POTENTIALLY very good, but that's all it is at the moment. Surely, it is not unreasonable to at least air possible concerns, even if they ultimately prove to be unfounded?

Equally I dont think others are blindly following what TF plans, I just think people want to get behind it and be positive. What are the options? We are heading towards this financial fair play stuff and if we stay were we are we'll be 'rattling around' in the lower leagues before too long.

[vblockranger]

Fernandes and BEard have made such a balls up that we now find ourselves in the Championship saddled with a huge wage bill and uninterested players.... thanks to their business model we now are entirely reliant on these rich numptys just to pay the wages every week. I am worried about my clubs future and what other mistakes this berk is going to make.

[stainrodisalegend]

So nobody who is complaining about Fernandes chucking money around was complaining about Briatore and Ecclestone being tight, I assume? So easy to snipe on a keyboard, slightly harder to do the business.

I do find it hilarious all the fans who call Ferndandes etc idiots and so on. If it weren't too cruel it would be interesting to make a comparison of the educational achievements, career records, financial success, etc etc of the owners against those of the oh-so critical fans. Maybe some of those critical fans should write a book on "How to Run a Football Club" or "How To Make Your First Hundred Million". They all seem to know so much about it...

[QPR Richard]

So nobody who is complaining about Fernandes chucking money around was complaining about Briatore and Ecclestone being tight, I assume? So easy to snipe on a keyboard, slightly harder to do the business.

I do find it hilarious all the fans who call Ferndandes etc idiots and so on. If it weren't too cruel it would be interesting to make a comparison of the educational achievements, career records, financial success, etc etc of the owners against those of the oh-so critical fans. Maybe some of those critical fans should write a book on "How to Run a Football Club" or "How To Make Your First Hundred Million". They all seem to know so much about it...

Amen to that mate, well said.

Lakshmi Mittal is one of the world's richest men and owns a third of the club. Do some people think he's a fool too? We have extremely wealthy owners who know how to run very successful businesses. They can't all be fools can they?

[W12_Ranger]

Yes a new training ground/academy plus a new stadium will be built on quick sand.

So who do you want running our club then?

Nothing has been built yet Dicky Boy and until it happens I reserve the right to hold judgement. The first 2 years of Fernandes tenure have been built on 'quick sand' / no solid foundations. Forgive if I don't feel the sun shines out if his #### like you but the only thing he has achieve is keeping us in the bottom 4 of the PL for 2 seasons with an embarrassing record in the last transfer market.

As for who I think should be running the club, how the **** would I know do you actually think I follow potential football club owners that closely

[vblockranger]

So nobody who is complaining about Fernandes chucking money around was complaining about Briatore and Ecclestone being tight, I assume? So easy to snipe on a keyboard, slightly harder to do the business.

I do find it hilarious all the fans who call Ferndandes etc idiots and so on. If it weren't too cruel it would be interesting to make a comparison of the educational achievements, career records, financial success, etc etc of the owners against those of the oh-so critical fans. Maybe some of those critical fans should write a book on "How to Run a Football Club" or "How To Make Your First Hundred Million". They all seem to know so much about it...

lol i find that whole post hilarious ... SO Fernandes has failed badly in his first 2 seasons in charge and we now find ourselves massively in debt and reliant on him and his partners but because he has pots more money and a history of running an airline (and a sh1t F1 team) that automatically makes him good at running a football club? Think we need to take a look at your educational credentials if i am honest before you start harping on about others . You just continue to stick your fingers in your ears, smile vacantly and get down on your knees for "uncle Tony"...no doubt a suitable patronising tweet is winging its way from his PR men as we speak to keep you in the warm fuzzy land of rainbows and fwuffy wabbits for another day or two. Hilarious. Just like Tony's business model.