Talk of us Going Down Next Season is Bonkers

[silvercue]

All this talk about us potentially going down is daft. Yes, I know you can pick out examples of clubs that have dropped down when they thought they were too good just after dropping from the PL, but it is a defeatist and unhealthy attitude to take into the new season.

There are a number of reasons that we should be fighting for one of the top 2 spaces:

1. Parachute payments are going up next season by a long way. This was announced late in the season, so maybe the clubs had not budgeted for it and it is a welcome injection of big money.
2. Owner and backers will want to get straight back up - no question. They will do all they can to do that as they are only after a PL club and they have the money to invest and know they will get a return if we sustain a PL place, but only if we get back there quickly.
3. We have some good players - just need shaping into a team
4. The division is competitive, but this year the quality was dross. The bottom teams are almost as good as the top teams. The gap is wider than ever with the PL.
5. We have shown that money can be found - I am sure that the owners have learned that money must be used wisely now - after wasting so much
6. The people running the club are very motivated for QPR. They have made mistakes, but will have learned.

We should be one of the 3-4 favorites, no question. If we don't make the playoffs at the very least I will be amazed.

[QPRLewis]

To be honest, if Redknapp keeps up his tactic of 'field 11 players that have proved they don't work together' every week then I genuinely could see it.
50 points didn't save teams in the Championship this season. Last think we need to do is get complacent.

[QPRDave]

Harry imo is forcing down expectations, and he does say "this squad"

[silvercue]

Harry imo is forcing down expectations, and he does say "this squad"

I mean the fans too...all over message boards etc. Don't like what Harry is saying though, it breeds doubt and doubt breeds lack of confidence and failure IMHO.

I am all for being realistic, like when we were obviously down I wasn't one to say we can still do it....but this is just being down right negative.

[vblockranger]

All this talk about us potentially going down is daft. Yes, I know you can pick out examples of clubs that have dropped down when they thought they were too good just after dropping from the PL, but it is a defeatist and unhealthy attitude to take into the new season.

There are a number of reasons that we should be fighting for one of the top 2 spaces:

1. Parachute payments are going up next season by a long way. This was announced late in the season, so maybe the clubs had not budgeted for it and it is a welcome injection of big money.
2. Owner and backers will want to get straight back up - no question. They will do all they can to do that as they are only after a PL club and they have the money to invest and know they will get a return if we sustain a PL place, but only if we get back there quickly.
3. We have some good players - just need shaping into a team
4. The division is competitive, but this year the quality was dross. The bottom teams are almost as good as the top teams. The gap is wider than ever with the PL.
5. We have shown that money can be found - I am sure that the owners have learned that money must be used wisely now - after wasting so much
6. The people running the club are very motivated for QPR. They have made mistakes, but will have learned.

We should be one of the 3-4 favorites, no question. If we don't make the playoffs at the very least I will be amazed.

The parachute payment increase i believe is for NEXT seasons relegated clubs i thought? Which was why in the media it was reported as this season being the worse one to get relegated as you will miss out on the increase. I might be wrong though Silver Agree with your post though apart from the "We have some good players" unless by some you mean 2 or 3 as i think 95% of the current squad would struggle in the Championship.

[silvercue]

The parachute payment increase i believe is for NEXT seasons relegated clubs i thought? Which was why in the media it was reported as this season being the worse one to get relegated as you will miss out on the increase. I might be wrong though Silver

No - it is for us. They kick in next season, which means we benefit straight away.

This is still the worst season to get relegated though as the overseas money deal means PL revenues to clubs is going up about 50%.

[vblockranger]

No - it is for us. They kick in next season, which means we benefit straight away.

This is still the worst season to get relegated though as the overseas money deal means PL revenues to clubs is going up about 50%.

Thats probably what i was on about then :-) Still the parachute increase will come in handy certainly.

[MattyRangers]

100% agree silver

Should be mounting a serious promotion push or we will have failed in my eyes.

[dave58]

Thats probably what i was on about then :-) Still the parachute increase will come in handy certainly.

it's deffo the worst season to be relegated it's being banded around that clubs in the Prem will earn around £120Million this coming season.

[QPRDave]

I mean the fans too...all over message boards etc. Don't like what Harry is saying though, it breeds doubt and doubt breeds lack of confidence and failure IMHO.

I am all for being realistic, like when we were obviously down I wasn't one to say we can still do it....but this is just being down right negative.

I can only think Harry feels let down and humiliated by the players, and has decided he won't do the usual managerial thing and defend them. I do wonder whether he says such things about
the squad that certain players know he means them and not all the players.
I think regards the fans silver we have played 76 matches in two years and been awful for most of them, and then you see Wolves who before last season acquitted themselves well to the
prem, and then crash straight through the champs.
We need to get the feel good factor back around the club

[Del]

I agree regarding attitude and positive vibes etc. All this negative talk can only be counterproductive imo. No matter how badly we've done, the fact is the majority of our squad have been comfortable top flight players all their careers... they are decent players! They didn't perform together, partly down to the management and ridiculous selections also, and the fact is they should've competed in the prem.

They had a poor season yes, but to then say they would struggle in the championship is an embarrassing statement and says more about the manager than the group imo. If they joined us now with a remit of mounting a promotion challenge with our current squad, any manager in football would be up for that and think it achievable. So what is it then, does Harry think he's not up to the task..?

Harry's comments also give the players an excuse.

When you look at the teams near the top of the Championship, half the players you've never heard of and some of the football at times is woeful. If our "great" manager cant get a group of experienced and established prem players, with a mix of solidity, flair and pace to compete against such sides then we might as well all give up now.

As for Wolves, they have joke owners who made stupid decisions. Also, when in the prem they had about 4 decent players, of which they sold the best 3 (Fletcher, Kightly and Jarvis) which basically took away their main goal threat and the best 2 supply lines, which without there's been little service for Doyle. I did think Doyle would do well in that league though, so can only assume very little service. No matter who we lose, we will still have many decent players (no matter how much they've underachieved this season).

[QPRDave]

Del if you think the champs is a walk in the park you need to wake and smell the coffee..........we will have it harder next year than when we were there before

[Del]

Del if you think the champs is a walk in the park you need to wake and smell the coffee..........we will have it harder next year than when we were there before

I don't think its a walk in the park, never said it was. We will not have it harder than when there before because we have much better players at our disposal. No matter how much they've underachieved, that is a fact and to say it will be harder is ridiculous.

What i do believe is that with our squad, no matter who remains, we will be stronger on paper than pretty much any other squad so we should at the very least be competing among the top sides. If you asked fans of any other championship side do they want to swap squads with us to mount a challenge, imo the majorty would say yes without question.

We need a positive mental attitude not all negativity and slamming the players further... they know they've been sh1te and will be embarrassed to be part of such a dismal campaign, so dont need the issue forced more. Keep telling them they aren't good enough for the championship and they'll start believing it and think mediocrity is acceptable.

He needs to flip that mentality and start motivating them, like he's supposed to be so good at!! Did Newcastle or West Brom say their players would struggle in the championship before they bounced back??? No. It's a stupid thing to do.

[QPRDave]

I don't think its a walk in the park, never said it was. We will not have it harder than when there before because we have much better players at our disposal. No matter how much they've underachieved, that is a fact and to say it will be harder is ridiculous.

So you don't think our prima donnas will be a target a scalp for a team like Barnsley..........Funny everthing i say is ridiculous


What i do believe is that with our squad, no matter who remains, we will be stronger on paper than pretty much any other squad so we should at the very least be competing among the top sides. If you asked fans of any other championship side do they want to swap squads with us to mount a challenge, imo the majorty would say yes without question.

We need a positive mental attitude not all negativity and slamming the players further... they know they've been sh1te and will be embarrassed to be part of such a dismal campaign, so dont need the issue forced more. Keep telling them they aren't good enough for the championship and they'll start believing it and think mediocrity is acceptable.

Most of the f*ckers won't be here Del so why not give em some very wedll deserved stick?

He needs to flip that mentality and start motivating them, like he's supposed to be so good at!! Did Newcastle or West Brom say their players would struggle in the championship before they bounced back??? No. It's a stupid thing to do.

Perhaps you need to tell Harry how to manage, or go and do it yourself....tell me how do you motivate a bunch of players that are not interested
Actually that is a ridiculous thing to say....please ignore

They were signed by Hughes....and showed him no loyalty or respect, the man that got them their contracts, if they can't do it for him then who?

[Del]

Perhaps you need to tell Harry how to manage, or go and do it yourself....tell me how do you motivate a bunch of players that are not interested
Actually that is a ridiculous thing to say....please ignore

They were signed by Hughes....and showed him no loyalty or respect, the man that got them their contracts, if they can't do it for him then who?

We went 19 games unbeaten before and had flash rich owners who had brought in players on decent wages, do you not think the lesser teams wanted to beat us then also, especially to end the run..?

Ref players, some will go, not most of them. No chance we could offload them all even if we wanted to.

As for Harry, i dont understand why so many people are making excuses for him. You ask how he motivates a bunch of players that aren't intetrested... that's his F$%king job, and one he was paid as much as these underperforming players to do. He didn't, simple fact. He therefore failed in his job as much as the players failed in theirs.

Dont take my comments personally either, i just say it as i see it. No intention to offend.