why we must stick two fingers up to jonny foreigners....buy british!!!

[lymehoop]

needs time for players to adapt to the pace of the English game, Mbia and Diakite will be decent players given time

[blueboy]

Tend to agree this is not a colour issue in my view its an attitude debate and that applies to all colours, and backgrounds etc

I think its too easy to just suggest if they are from Africa they are not up to the job and we need to focus on Anglo European white players to solve the problem as I can give two examples off the top of my head of white players who have shown just as poor an attitude and fight as some of the African players who appear to be the focus of the debate.

I give you Rowan Vine White British player who was more then happy to steal a living and offered up performances far worse then that of Mbia alternatively Granero (Northern European as someone suggested) also lacks desire and they are both of the colour and regionality that some are asking for to solve the problem.

The answer to me is to do your homework on a player before you buy them as that will usually be a decent indicator of what your getting i.e. anyone who scouted Adel over time would have been able to report back that he is a lad with ability but has and attitude and is probably not a team player no point moaning he is not a team player after you have bought him!!!!! the opposite of this would be someone like Viera someone scouting him would have said the boy is a leader who sets an example and will run through a brick walls for the team.

QPR has always had foreign players and been a diverse club and in the main we have not had a problem with foreign players in the past; why because the players in the past had been sought via proper old fashioned scouting and getting to learn about a player and what he is made of over time. From the arrival of Paladini and carried on by Flabby and Hughes we have stopped scouting and relied upon players been offered to us by agents so what we are getting in the main is a player on the recommendation of an agent who has an interest in the main of moving the player on.

We've passed the reigns off one of the most important aspects of any football club (its life a blood) player acquisitions over to an external party who does not have the best interests of the club at heart when he offers a player rather what he can make from offering the player

To me that's problem not where someone is from etc we have become lazy as a club and stopped doing our homework which for a club our size is our bread and butter. Were not Arsenal or Man Utd we cant afford to take a chance on a player our buys in the main have to be on the money (Sintons, Ferdinands, Peacocks, Wilsons, Bardsleys & Sinclairs etc) and that's what we don't do anymore we need to get back to it

The end

finally,somebody talking sense

[DeepcutHoop]

needs time for players to adapt to the pace of the English game, Mbia and Diakite will be decent players given time

And given that the main accusation of the 'foreigners' (I'll set aside the race stuff as that is plainly ridiculous), is that the attitude and application was lacking in comparison with the British players.

Mbia is certainly not guilty of that (in fact there has been very few QPR players that have looked as committed this season), and despite his obvious personal issues, neither has Diakite.

[WeAreQPR12]

And given that the main accusation of the 'foreigners' (I'll set aside the race stuff as that is plainly ridiculous), is that the attitude and application was lacking in comparison with the British players.

Mbia is certainly not guilty of that (in fact there has been very few QPR players that have looked as committed this season), and despite his obvious personal issues, neither has Diakite.

Mbia doesn't have a footballing brain and has clearly been rubbish. Can you even remember him dominating a midfield battle? The bloke is rash and has the touch of a rapist. Dreadful player, I can see hope with Diakite but we don't need both so I really hope Mbia is sent packing as he will look ordinary playing at his right level because that level is definitely not premier league football! Nothing to do with race just an observation of countless mistakes!
Oh and Deepcut, I am ****** pleased you don't control our borders, you're the softest, most pathetic touch I have come across and a sad example of this nanny state we currently are!

[vblockranger]

Mbia doesn't have a footballing brain and has clearly been rubbish. Can you even remember him dominating a midfield battle? The bloke is rash and has the touch of a rapist. Dreadful player, I can see hope with Diakite but we don't need both so I really hope Mbia is sent packing as he will look ordinary playing at his right level because that level is definitely not premier league football! Nothing to do with race just an observation of countless mistakes!
Oh and Deepcut, I am ****** pleased you don't control our borders, you're the softest, most pathetic touch I have come across and a sad example of this nanny state we currently are!

Agree about Mbia. Pub player with less brain cells.

[DeepcutHoop]

Mbia doesn't have a footballing brain and has clearly been rubbish. Can you even remember him dominating a midfield battle? The bloke is rash and has the touch of a rapist. Dreadful player, I can see hope with Diakite but we don't need both so I really hope Mbia is sent packing as he will look ordinary playing at his right level because that level is definitely not premier league football! Nothing to do with race just an observation of countless mistakes!
Oh and Deepcut, I am ****** pleased you don't control our borders, you're the softest, most pathetic touch I have come across and a sad example of this nanny state we currently are!

Well done for completely missing the point I was making.

The point being made in this ridiculous thread, is that foreigners and black players (I realise that not all are making the latter point) have a worse attitude than the homegrown players, and that some would prefer 'less talented' players with more commitment.

Mbia's commitment to the cause has been exemplary. You may not like him as a player but his effort is notup for debate as far as I'm concerned.

And what the f**k has immigration got to do with this?

[DeepcutHoop]

Agree about Mbia. Pub player with less brain cells.

All about opinions, he is most definitely a tryer though.

[West Acton]

Agree about Mbia. Pub player with less brain cells.

All about opinions, he is most definitely a tryer though.

I've have mixed views about him and I have to admit I cant make my mind up about if I rate him or not. I have gone from watching him through my fingers as he scared the life out of me in his debut against Reading as he looked like a walking pen then I have seen him against Chelsea and Southampton away where I have thought Mbia has arrived and he is a top player to him knocking players over on the edge o the box against Wigan and kicking out at Arsenal and thinking he's a liability

I personally think he was actually trying too hard he knew we were in the s hit and in a way took it upon himself to try and do everything instead of just concentrating on what he does well as shown against Chelsea and Southampton which is breaking up and disrupting the oppositions play and giving the ball.

Jury is still out on him, if he could stop the rolling about and do the simple things well there is a decent player there

[silvercue]

British players are greedy and over priced.....and most of them are not very good. Do you think managers are daft? We have had 2 successive British managers in the PL - why have they not focused only on British? Because they simply are not worth it.

We have been relegated because we are being run by a team that know nothing AT ALL about running a football club not because our players are from one country or another.

In fact lets take a little look at some of our worst players.

Zammo
SWP
Barton
Derry
Hill
Andy Johnson
Boothroyd
Mackie

These players going to make us a force? No.

A divided dressing room is down to seeing people earn 5x your wage, not because they are from France.

[WeAreQPR12]

All about opinions, he is most definitely a tryer though.

yeah but you also are a tryer, because you're clearly trying my patience. Not sure where you lost the point I was making but I have seen the way you talk to people and looking down that nose of yours does you no favours.

Not wanting to argue with you mate but you clearly are a know it all and I find your PC thread rather infuriating. I am willing to discuss this with the presence of myu because I am not in the wrong and I don't want this to escalate as you're a fellow R.

[WeAreQPR12]

Well done for completely missing the point I was making.

The point being made in this ridiculous thread, is that foreigners and black players (I realise that not all are making the latter point) have a worse attitude than the homegrown players, and that some would prefer 'less talented' players with more commitment.

Mbia's commitment to the cause has been exemplary. You may not like him as a player but his effort is notup for debate as far as I'm concerned.

And what the f**k has immigration got to do with this?

sorry myu I was referring to this post as I don't want you to think I have overreacted.

[DeepcutHoop]

yeah but you also are a tryer, because you're clearly trying my patience. Not sure where you lost the point I was making but I have seen the way you talk to people and looking down that nose of yours does you no favours.

Not wanting to argue with you mate but you clearly are a know it all and I find your PC thread rather infuriating. I am willing to discuss this with the presence of myu because I am not in the wrong and I don't want this to escalate as you're a fellow R.

What on earth are you doing?

[loneranger]

What on earth are you doing?

Flirting ?

[West Acton]

sorry myu I was referring to this post as I don't want you to think I have overreacted.

Less the swear word what has he said to upset you??? Cant see an awful lot wrong with that myself

[DeepcutHoop]

Flirting ?

Hadn't considered that tbf

Hmm....