Don't be too harsh on TF

[W12hoops]

Since we have been through this several times before, this'll only be a another brick in the wall to some, but its just another precaution on how bad things could turn out to be if we act too harsh towards TF.
Since escaping relegation at the end of last season, the ride has been bumpy to say the least. I think none of us considered ourselves as relegation candidates prior to the 2012/2013 BPL season and now, with only eight games left, relegation seems inevitable. As we all know there is a major difference between the clubs involved in the battle of survival – wages. And we all know that don’t we, so I won’t go into what going down could bring us, because that has already been done by every newspaper in the country. This is what Tony wrote on Twitter after our FA cup loss against MK Dons;

‘’ As I have said many times, I take all responsibility and will face the music. Always spirit up. If can’t fix it I will be first to go’’.

‘’Many fans attacking me. Doing our best. As I said we won’t stop trying’’.

You can interpret whatever you want from these tweets indeed, but what you can be certain of is that Tony has, since day one, been really affected by the supporters. That will continue to be the case, trust me. At the point when Tony stated this, we strongly believed that relegation was inevitable and we couldn’t be rescued even by Harry Houdini and the times aren't a changing - we're still championship bound.
At times, it was almost embarrassing to read supporters tweeting complain to Tony reading that he was to fault for Hughes mess and sacking Warnock was the big mistake. Maybe he is to fault for some signings and appointments but that’s in the past and we cannot gamble this clubs future by constantly bullying the man with the control.

If Tony leaves the club in the championship, we all know that we are screwed. And I know that many posts and tweets have been made about idiotic fans writing to TF and I am sure this won’t be the last, but it is a vital part in our survival.

[OneEyedWilly]

Never felt anything bad towards him...I dont understand your comment about 'maybe he is to fault for some signings...' , he is a club owner not a manager. Why put forward a supportive post and then throw in a negative that in actual fact he cant be blamed for??

[rangersbitch]

‘’Many fans attacking me. Doing our best. As I said we won’t stop trying’’.

Yes, Fernandes wrote that on 28th January. I searched Twitter that day and failed to find a single tweet that could be reasonably considered an "attack". There was some mild criticism, much of it fairly constructive. But attacks? I didn't see it. But perhaps you can point some out? If not, I will retain the suspicion that Fernandes was, for some reason, exaggerating. To gain sympathy? To trawl for compliments? I'm not sure.

If Tony leaves the club in the championship, we all know that we are screwed.

No, I think that's a guess. It may be a good guess. But unless you've examined the books and spoken to every shareholder, you can't know that.

[Hitman34]

Since we have been through this several times before, this'll only be a another brick in the wall to some, but its just another precaution on how bad things could turn out to be if we act too harsh towards TF.
Since escaping relegation at the end of last season, the ride has been bumpy to say the least. I think none of us considered ourselves as relegation candidates prior to the 2012/2013 BPL season and now, with only eight games left, relegation seems inevitable. As we all know there is a major difference between the clubs involved in the battle of survival – wages. And we all know that don’t we, so I won’t go into what going down could bring us, because that has already been done by every newspaper in the country. This is what Tony wrote on Twitter after our FA cup loss against MK Dons;

‘’ As I have said many times, I take all responsibility and will face the music. Always spirit up. If can’t fix it I will be first to go’’.

‘’Many fans attacking me. Doing our best. As I said we won’t stop trying’’.

You can interpret whatever you want from these tweets indeed, but what you can be certain of is that Tony has, since day one, been really affected by the supporters. That will continue to be the case, trust me. At the point when Tony stated this, we strongly believed that relegation was inevitable and we couldn’t be rescued even by Harry Houdini and the times aren't a changing - we're still championship bound.
At times, it was almost embarrassing to read supporters tweeting complain to Tony reading that he was to fault for Hughes mess and sacking Warnock was the big mistake. Maybe he is to fault for some signings and appointments but that’s in the past and we cannot gamble this clubs future by constantly bullying the man with the control.

If Tony leaves the club in the championship, we all know that we are screwed. And I know that many posts and tweets have been made about idiotic fans writing to TF and I am sure this won’t be the last, but it is a vital part in our survival.

now dont get me wrong, im all for tony and co to remain at qpr but it is he who is at fault for dishing out the crazy wages for which our little club cannot sustain in the championship. therefore he is responsable for the mess we now find ourselves in.

i really hope he stays and LEARNS from his mistakes and to build our club to be sustainable and profitable in the future.

[Hitman34]

Never felt anything bad towards him...I dont understand your comment about 'maybe he is to fault for some signings...' , he is a club owner not a manager. Why put forward a supportive post and then throw in a negative that in actual fact he cant be blamed for??

did he not make advances on park,barton and samba which were not on the managers transfer target lists?

[OneEyedWilly]

Isnt it the managers decision regarding which players though?

[FurtiveFox]

I do find some supporters' comments embarrassing. One bad season is more a dog's biscuit than a dog's dinner. I'm sure Tony and the rest of those involved have looked at short, medium and longer term plans for the club. These inevitably will allow for downs as well as ups and one of those potential downs would have been relegation. A very obvious short term issue is that the club is way off being able to afford the outgoings of a Premiership football club and that is regardless of what division we are in next season. That is why such a lot of effort is being placed into improving the infrastructure including new training facility and longer term new ground with various spin offs. Realistically whatever happened this season the owners will be putting their hands in their pockets for a number of years to come. I know the word 'project' is frowned upon on this forum but that is what this club is.

If the owners thought the wages we have been paying would impact on the 'project' they would not have agreed them in the first place. Football financially is high risk and they knew this going into it. Fact is they can afford to take on something like this and give it the time to make it work. To criticise them for the level of wages is stupid.

Mark Hughes came in with a decent reputation and a long term vision for on the pitch. Most of us were pleased the board managed to attract someone of his stature. It didn't work and they then managed to get someone of 'Arry's stature and fully supported him. Looks like we will fall short of being able to stay up but can hardly criticise board. If we can keep 'Arry and the squad members we realistically can and support 'Arry or whoever in the summer then next season could be a good springboard for the club to build momentum on the pitch and perhaps even be better longer term than another year of struggle and getting beat more often than not.

As fans we sometimes need to take a step back and look at things objectively rather than seeking to apportion blame the whole time. The board have come in and delivered on what they are in control of. If they continue to do so then long term there should be some good times coming.

I'm not into Twitter so have not taken much notice of what people have said on there to Tony and any of the other board members but anyone who does decide to have a go at him on there think before sending your Tweet. Tony has done the business for the club so far. Just sometimes things don't work out as we'd like. Next season and some of the ones after that will.

[W12hoops]

Yes, Fernandes wrote that on 28th January. I searched Twitter that day and failed to find a single tweet that could be reasonably considered an "attack". There was some mild criticism, much of it fairly constructive. But attacks? I didn't see it. But perhaps you can point some out? If not, I will retain the suspicion that Fernandes was, for some reason, exaggerating. To gain sympathy? To trawl for compliments? I'm not sure.



No, I think that's a guess. It may be a good guess. But unless you've examined the books and spoken to every shareholder, you can't know that.

I know its a guess, but I believe it's pretty accurate. Unless someone even richer are willing to pay our debts to our past owners including Ecclestone and Briatore who has loaned the club money. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...gue-elite.html .

Dunno what our debt bill is going to end after this seasons spending but surely over £100m based on figures from last season revealed here: http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/13...illion?cc=5739

These are all debts to individuals which and where are we gonna get that sort of money from is TF leaves? Mittal?

[W12hoops]

Yes, Fernandes wrote that on 28th January. I searched Twitter that day and failed to find a single tweet that could be reasonably considered an "attack". There was some mild criticism, much of it fairly constructive. But attacks? I didn't see it. But perhaps you can point some out? If not, I will retain the suspicion that Fernandes was, for some reason, exaggerating. To gain sympathy? To trawl for compliments? I'm not sure.



No, I think that's a guess. It may be a good guess. But unless you've examined the books and spoken to every shareholder, you can't know that.

We must be following different people on twitter, because I've seen a lot of complain towards TF on there.

[W12hoops]

I do find some supporters' comments embarrassing. One bad season is more a dog's biscuit than a dog's dinner. I'm sure Tony and the rest of those involved have looked at short, medium and longer term plans for the club. These inevitably will allow for downs as well as ups and one of those potential downs would have been relegation. A very obvious short term issue is that the club is way off being able to afford the outgoings of a Premiership football club and that is regardless of what division we are in next season. That is why such a lot of effort is being placed into improving the infrastructure including new training facility and longer term new ground with various spin offs. Realistically whatever happened this season the owners will be putting their hands in their pockets for a number of years to come. I know the word 'project' is frowned upon on this forum but that is what this club is.

If the owners thought the wages we have been paying would impact on the 'project' they would not have agreed them in the first place. Football financially is high risk and they knew this going into it. Fact is they can afford to take on something like this and give it the time to make it work. To criticise them for the level of wages is stupid.

Mark Hughes came in with a decent reputation and a long term vision for on the pitch. Most of us were pleased the board managed to attract someone of his stature. It didn't work and they then managed to get someone of 'Arry's stature and fully supported him. Looks like we will fall short of being able to stay up but can hardly criticise board. If we can keep 'Arry and the squad members we realistically can and support 'Arry or whoever in the summer then next season could be a good springboard for the club to build momentum on the pitch and perhaps even be better longer term than another year of struggle and getting beat more often than not.

As fans we sometimes need to take a step back and look at things objectively rather than seeking to apportion blame the whole time. The board have come in and delivered on what they are in control of. If they continue to do so then long term there should be some good times coming.

I'm not into Twitter so have not taken much notice of what people have said on there to Tony and any of the other board members but anyone who does decide to have a go at him on there think before sending your Tweet. Tony has done the business for the club so far. Just sometimes things don't work out as we'd like. Next season and some of the ones after that will.

Good post mate.

[W12hoops]

Never felt anything bad towards him...I dont understand your comment about 'maybe he is to fault for some signings...' , he is a club owner not a manager. Why put forward a supportive post and then throw in a negative that in actual fact he cant be blamed for??

Was mainly pointed at the Hughes appointment and the Park signing. He apparently suggested park for Hughes and Hughes went for it. So maybe I should've rephrased.

[rangersbitch]

We must be following different people on twitter, because I've seen a lot of complain towards TF on there.

This might be about semantics. Yes, I've seen people COMPLAIN. But Fernandes used the word ATTACKING. These seem really different things for me. The very fact that he uses Twitter at all encourages fans of his sports enterprises (QPR, Caterham etc.) to engage with him directly. When things go well, he gets to enjoy the praise. When things don't go well, he will field complaints. It seems to be the case that customers of his airline and other companies engage with Fernandes via Twitter in the same vein - praising when happy, complaining when not. If he would REALLY "leave" QPR (...and what does that even mean? Walk away from the loans he has made to a company in which he is a shareholder) because of criticism/complaints, then he can't be as committed/serious as people would like to believe. Sustained, unpleasant ATTACKS? That might be a different matter. But is it really fair to sit on Twitter sending out a signal that he's a listener who likes interacting with fans/customers but then throw in the towel if the interaction does not go well. I'd liken that to emotional blackmail.

But if you've really seen proper ATTACKS on Fernandes (i.e. unreasonable remarks and language), I'll be interested to read them.

[W12hoops]

This might be about semantics. Yes, I've seen people COMPLAIN. But Fernandes used the word ATTACKING. These seem really different things for me. The very fact that he uses Twitter at all encourages fans of his sports enterprises (QPR, Caterham etc.) to engage with him directly. When things go well, he gets to enjoy the praise. When things don't go well, he will field complaints. It seems to be the case that customers of his airline and other companies engage with Fernandes via Twitter in the same vein - praising when happy, complaining when not. If he would REALLY "leave" QPR (...and what does that even mean? Walk away from the loans he has made to a company in which he is a shareholder) because of criticism/complaints, then he can't be as committed/serious as people would like to believe. Sustained, unpleasant ATTACKS? That might be a different matter. But is it really fair to sit on Twitter sending out a signal that he's a listener who likes interacting with fans/customers but then throw in the towel if the interaction does not go well. I'd liken that to emotional blackmail.

But if you've really seen proper ATTACKS on Fernandes (i.e. unreasonable remarks and language), I'll be interested to read them.

Fair play. Semantics, yea must be. But it's irrelevent what you categorise as an attack and as a complain isn't it? It's TF's judgement that is relevant, and if he receives lots of what you call complain and gets tired of it he may walk. Again, you'd liken that to emotional blackmail, its his opinion on that matter which is relevant. Sadly not ours. Just saying that we should be careful. We don't know how he handles things. YES we should make our voices heard but in an intellectual manner.

[rangersbitch]

Fair play. Semantics, yea must be. But it's irrelevent what you categorise as an attack and as a complain isn't it? It's TF's judgement that is relevant, and if he receives lots of what you call complain and gets tired of it he may walk. Again, you'd liken that to emotional blackmail, its his opinion on that matter which is relevant. Sadly not ours. Just saying that we should be careful. We don't know how he handles things. YES we should make our voices heard but in an intellectual manner.

If your analysis is correct, then I fear it's inevitable that he will get annoyed and "walk" (Does that mean write off his loans/investment? Or does that mean to try to collect repayment of loans which only grew so large precisely because he authorised the club to spend so freely?). The only question is when. Because if on one hand he wants to use social media (i.e. Twitter) to monitor the sentiment around the various business and playthings which he owns and on the other hand he is above averagely sensitive to criticism, then we may have a bit of a nightmare scenario. Because it's impossible to imagine that it will not be possible to police the thoughts and tweets of every single QPR fan. Of the 30,000-ish QPR fans in the world, someone somewhere is going to say something that Fernandes won't like - however much people inhabiting messageboards don't want this to happen. You can't really believe that everyone with some feeling for the club is always going to express themselves in the intellectual manner you're hoping for.