The Definitive Hughes stay or go thread.

[vblockranger]

But if he turns it around, then is it really a mistake? Who else would you have brought in at the time? Or would you have kept Warnock on? Well, I will have to agree to disagree about Tony's football knowledge, as I think he has shown a lot more savvy than most give him credit for. Certainly more than most chairman for sure.

I am hoping he turns it round but even with wins against Reading and Southampton i still think we will be fighting relegation again this season. We used Hughes's name to get some players in i am sure that wouldnt have come otherwise but when it comes down to it just look at his record ...7 away wins from 61 away games played since he left Blackburn. A win percentage of 28% for his tenure at Fulham. No away wins for us in a year!! no wins at all this season including games againt West Ham/Norwich/Swansea ....poor performances from some decent players that look to be playing at 70% or 80% of there capability. Still dont think Hughes even knows his best 11 as we do not have 1 player that has played in all of the opening 9 games this season. Too cautious and defensive to the point where we hardly have a shot at goal. Reluctance to drop players that are not performing and constant fiddling with player positions (this was complained about by Fulham fans too when he was there). He is just not that good a manager and although i think we have to give him a bit more time i hopethat when the time does come that TF will bite the bullet and get rid (probably at vast expense). Whoever we get in cant be doing any worse than Hughes.

[SammyKojoe]

I am hoping he turns it round but even with wins against Reading and Southampton i still think we will be fighting relegation again this season. We used Hughes's name to get some players in i am sure that wouldnt have come otherwise but when it comes down to it just look at his record ...7 away wins from 61 away games played since he left Blackburn. A win percentage of 28% for his tenure at Fulham. No away wins for us in a year!! no wins at all this season including games againt West Ham/Norwich/Swansea ....poor performances from some decent players that look to be playing at 70% or 80% of there capability. Still dont think Hughes even knows his best 11 as we do not have 1 player that has played in all of the opening 9 games this season. Too cautious and defensive to the point where we hardly have a shot at goal. Reluctance to drop players that are not performing and constant fiddling with player positions (this was complained about by Fulham fans too when he was there). He is just not that good a manager and although i think we have to give him a bit more time i hopethat when the time does come that TF will bite the bullet and get rid (probably at vast expense). Whoever we get in cant be doing any worse than Hughes.

Summed up perfectly. If the manager does not know his best 11 then we are going to be in a fair bit of trouble till he does.

[Will M]

I am hoping he turns it round but even with wins against Reading and Southampton i still think we will be fighting relegation again this season. We used Hughes's name to get some players in i am sure that wouldnt have come otherwise but when it comes down to it just look at his record ...7 away wins from 61 away games played since he left Blackburn. A win percentage of 28% for his tenure at Fulham. No away wins for us in a year!! no wins at all this season including games againt West Ham/Norwich/Swansea ....poor performances from some decent players that look to be playing at 70% or 80% of there capability. Still dont think Hughes even knows his best 11 as we do not have 1 player that has played in all of the opening 9 games this season. Too cautious and defensive to the point where we hardly have a shot at goal. Reluctance to drop players that are not performing and constant fiddling with player positions (this was complained about by Fulham fans too when he was there). He is just not that good a manager and although i think we have to give him a bit more time i hopethat when the time does come that TF will bite the bullet and get rid (probably at vast expense). Whoever we get in cant be doing any worse than Hughes.

Can't really disagree that his record with us is anything other than average at the very kindest, but football is all about fine margins and I think we will start seeing a turnaround in results soon. I think most people expected us to start to come good around November so the Reading game is the perfect time to pick up our first win.

I think that a loss to Reading may see Tony act, but a couple of wins will pick everyone's spirits up and I'm convinced they are incoming. I'm not really worried yet, but I bet Tony's bum is squeaking!

[Shania]

Give the TEAM time. Imagine how nervous the players must feel, when all they hear is people calling for Hughes´s head!
Doinstead Judge him on what he has acheived AFTER the January window. I should believe that Rigg has a few players that he want the club to buy. Replacements are needed IMO. The squad is too thin,and simply not good enough on the whole, I fear.

[vblockranger]

Give the TEAM time. Imagine how nervous the players must feel, when all they hear is people calling for Hughes´s head!
Doinstead Judge him on what he has acheived AFTER the January window. I should believe that Rigg has a few players that he want the club to buy. Replacements are needed IMO. The squad is too thin,and simply not good enough on the whole, I fear.

We just brought 12 in the last window and people saying they need time to gel. And judge him after January? you sure? what about August,September,October,November and December? did they not happen? does he get a warmup period of 5 months that dont really count? do all the prem teams get their points reset to zero in Jan then? you do know our fixtures in January are Chelsea,Man City, West Ham and Spurs...lol

[stainrodisalegend]

Summed up perfectly. If the manager does not know his best 11 then we are going to be in a fair bit of trouble till he does.

Keeping reading that Hughes doesn't know his best 11 and therefore is clueless. But doesn't that complaint hark back to a time when we were a small, rubbish team with no options? Bigger, more successful clubs have competition for places. Does Wenger "know" that Walcott or Oxle-Chamberlain is in his best 11? Or does de Matteo "know" the same about Sturidge or any one of a dozen other stars? And so on at most successful clubs. He has bought 12 players and had a lot of injuries, there are bound to be changes. And incidentally a lot of fans are also complaining that he is showing too much faith in the like of Park and SWP, so which is it? Too many changes, or too few? You can't have it both ways...

[stainrodisalegend]

So how long are you prepared to give him? Plenty of people supporting Hughes but not many prepared to put a time on it. Are people who are totally behind Hughes willing to give him unequivocal backing for the season, or only till Christmas? If it's only till Christmas it means you have doubts as well, so perhaps those who want Hughes gone now, the doubters, are not so crazy after all.

As soon as you put a time limit on it you are putting a gun to his head, putting pressure on him and the team which will probably have the effect of making them perform worse, not better. Crazy.

[stainrodisalegend]

I'm prepared to give him as long as Tony wants. In Tony I trust. Do you want him out too? After all this terrible run of form came under Fernandes' tenure. Do all the dissenting voices blame him? Hughes is his man after all, and he's sticking with him. He wants the fans to get behind his man while we search for valuable points. I'm showing my appreciation by trusting him and his appointment.

Constructive criticism is helpful, constant criticism is destructive. Which side do you fall on?

Good post, only problem is its probably way too well reasoned for some. Anyway, slightly pointless debate imo (at least for the forseable future). Fernandes has re-iterated that he is in it for the long haul with Hughes. To me his statement reads like much more than the dreaded "chairman's vote of confidence", it sounds like a determination to stick to his strategy. Fans can either get behind the owner, the manager and the team or if they feel unable to offer their support they are probably best advised staying away imho out of the best interests of QPR - as all these predictions of doom can soon become self-fulfilling.

[Shania]

We just brought 12 in the last window and people saying they need time to gel. And judge him after January? you sure? what about August,September,October,November and December? did they not happen? does he get a warmup period of 5 months that dont really count? do all the prem teams get their points reset to zero in Jan then? you do know our fixtures in January are Chelsea,Man City, West Ham and Spurs...lol

It´s not Sparky´s fault that AJ was injured, DJ injured and not that impressive when given a chance, Cisse(personal problems atm. etc. Details like these shows me how fragile this squad really are...
If you appoint a new manager tomorrow he isen´t able to play for us, is he?:=):

[Busheyboy]

No time limits but if we don't get a decent points return from the next 3 games, TF is going to struggle to convince anyone, including himself, that we have the right manager.
All this talk of new players gelling, injuries, etc, etc, etc doesn't wash forever. There effing Xmas crackers in the shops, how long does he want?
9 games in is 1/4 of the season. After the next 3, we're 1/3 into the season.
IMO he needs results in the next 3 or it's P45 time.
If we can't win these games, how can we realistically expect to survive?

[TRING-RANGER]

No time limits but if we don't get a decent points return from the next 3 games, TF is going to struggle to convince anyone, including himself, that we have the right manager.
All this talk of new players gelling, injuries, etc, etc, etc doesn't wash forever. There effing Xmas crackers in the shops, how long does he want?
9 games in is 1/4 of the season. After the next 3, we're 1/3 into the season.
IMO he needs results in the next 3 or it's P45 time.
If we can't win these games, how can we realistically expect to survive?

[ this ..........and reading just gone 4 up on the gooners im worried about sunday,ffs

[QPR Richard]

As soon as you put a time limit on it you are putting a gun to his head, putting pressure on him and the team which will probably have the effect of making them perform worse, not better. Crazy.

So are you content with the job he's done so far, with the resources at his disposal, and the support from the board? You don't think anyone should say a word about being bottom of the table and no wins so far? No performance monitoring or target setting?

It's a high pressure job in a high pressure league. Hughes knows the deal. If he can't hack it then he shouldn't be in football management.

[72bus]

3 games

[Stanley]

Anyone still to vote on this?

[hal9thou]

I think most people expected us to start to come good around November so the Reading game is the perfect time to pick up our first win.

This is the sort of understandable but mindless optimism that seems to have infected far too many people. Reality check time.

Would you have said at the start of the season that Reading home would be an ideal time for our first win? No.

Would you have said when Hughes was appointed that by November 2012 we would not have won a single game away from home? No.

I've gone about Hughes' manifest failings on and off the park - the evidence is all too apparent - but for those of you who against all reason still believe, I ask you this question.

Suppose you get your wish. Do you really want our very best football to be an emulation of Blackburn of a few years back? Is that the kind of game you want to see played at our club? Even Hughes at his best has produced tedious football teams, never mind the shocking state of affairs that we have to put up with.

I'd rather have had Olly (not my first choice but would have come back), us up and down like a tarts knickers and goals all over the shop than this uninspiring and tactically bereft individual. Good luck Palace.