It's easy to fill a 40k stadium if it's priced right. Please read the post first

[vblockranger]

Oh right, well perhaps they'll take your advice and not bother to build a new stadium, and just focus on their entertainment venue. It seems you are ITK when it comes to the fan database and potential growth figures. Frankly, I'm surprised the board didn't hire you and your mates to carry out the feasibility study as you seem to possess a deep knowledge of this subject.

There's no news from the naysayers or any campaign to persuade the board that a golden future awaits us by staying at LR and that a new stadium is folly. Perhaps you should use your deep knowledge of this subject to convince the board that staying at LR is the best thing for the club. After all, we don't want little old us rattling around in a half empty stadium do we?

"40k or oblivion....."

Sorry cant get past the first line of any of your posts anymore Mr Beard.

(Does seem to be getting quite upset with people not agreeing with him though...tears in his eyes as he types all this cr@p i reckon ) I am definately sensing hostility :-) Look mate, i respect your opinion on the subject and you have to respect mine. Lets just wait and see what is announced (if ever) and how much TF invloves the fans in his choice of future for our team. All this stuff is just going round in circles.

[W12_Ranger]

"40k or oblivion" i believe is your catchphrase..like i said earlier...deluded. As for the other stuff cant see why you make it so personal? Is it just because you cant argue your case properly?

You trust the board and the chairman 100%
Anything they want to do has your 100% backing
You believe they are the best thing that could have happened to the club
Buckets blah blah...oblivion blah blah...

We get it..you are a staunch supporter of TF and maybe you are Phil Beard himself just dont get all upset when someone disagrees with you. You have put your case across a hundred times and its the same old stuff. I remain unconvinced and nothing you will post will convince me that TF only has the best intentions for the club in mind with this 40k multi purpose monstosity so go get upset with someone else Dicky boy your wasting my time and yours.

Spot on this is with regards to fernandes and also dicky boys infatuation with him. It is good though in all of this ******** spouted by TF many fans just remain grounded and realistic. We coulld of had the Unigate site it was there for the taking , why did we not pursue that if TF wants a new stadium sooner rather than later. The old oak common site if it actually materilises its something like 10-12 years away from being achieved based on my knowledge of feasibilty studies for westfield.

Dickyboy is deluded , thinks he has all the answers but just quotes sound bites over and over from fernandes. By the way he posts he sounds quite naive if you started his coversation up on a saturday afternoon down the BQ you'd be laughed all the way up the Uxbridge Rd.

With the exception of maybe a 1/25 years season;

- We will never be a top six club
- Never fill a 40k stadium
- Never play in the champions league.

I base my knowledge and understanding on a 30 year feasibility study i've been undertaking, i might only be a lowly building site worker but i think i understand my club a bit better than TF / PB and their ****ing database.

[NW_Hoopz]

Oh
right, well perhaps they'll take your advice and not bother to build a new stadium, and just focus on their entertainment venue.

There's no news from the naysayers or any campaignboard that a golden future awaits us by staying at LR

Now you aren't even reading our replies Richard !


* The board won't just build a new music venue because getting planning permission will be a heck of a lot easier with a football club attached to the proposal. As Mr Swakeley pointed out more eloquently than I can "THE FOOTBALL CLUB IS THE GOLDEN GOOSE" but maybe that's because I'm just a builder.

* You keep asking our feasibility study and business knowledge, my Ex was very high up in the marketing dept @ BA overseeing the relaunch of Concorde & I've never met so many wafflers and Billy BullSh1ters in my life ......... Come to think of it her dept also got rid of the UNION JACK TAILFINS because they were a global brand, and they'd done loads of 'studies' into what people wanted ..... Didn't want to listen to my opinion that it was called BRITISH AIRWAYS so the union flag goes hand in hand with the name.
That decision didn't last too long before it was changed back @ great expense.

I expect you also believed the government 'experts' whose study found that only a few thousand eastern europeans would turn up once we dropped the draw bridge too !

CLIVE WHITTINGHAM has done a very intelligent piece on the same subject in this months KICK UP THE R's

Anyway bring the shiny new future on ,

"HERE COMES THE NEW BOSS ...... SAME AS THE OLD BOSS" Pete Townsend

[QPR Richard]

"40k or oblivion" i believe is your catchphrase..like i said earlier...deluded. As for the other stuff cant see why you make it so personal? Is it just because you cant argue your case properly?

You trust the board and the chairman 100%
Anything they want to do has your 100% backing
You believe they are the best thing that could have happened to the club
Buckets blah blah...oblivion blah blah...

We get it..you are a staunch supporter of TF and maybe you are Phil Beard himself just dont get all upset when someone disagrees with you. You have put your case across a hundred times and its the same old stuff. I remain unconvinced and nothing you will post will convince me that TF only has the best intentions for the club in mind with this 40k multi purpose monstosity so go get upset with someone else Dicky boy your wasting my time and yours.

Not getting personal? Who's calling who deluded? You are full of insults because you don't know how to construct a good case so you resort to name calling. Is that the best you can do?

By the way, how's your protest group going? Got any more members? It seems to have floundered. At which board meeting are you presenting your well-constructed case? At which games have you organised demos against the move?

Put up or shut up, there's a good little boy.

[vblockranger]

Not getting personal? Who's calling who deluded? You are full of insults because you don't know how to construct a good case so you resort to name calling. Is that the best you can do?

By the way, how's your protest group going? Got any more members? It seems to have floundered. At which board meeting are you presenting your well-constructed case? At which games have you organised demos against the move?

Put up or shut up, there's a good little boy.

Is it insulting to say you are deluded? Have a look back and see which one of us has got his knickers twisted and had to resort to personal digs.

You do come across as a smug **** thats not used to having his opinion questioned though. Calling you "deluded" certainly has hit a nerve hasnt it? The statement you made about us moving into a 40k stadium or it will mean oblivion is nonsense Rich and therefore you are deluded to believe it yourself. Now i know you like to think of yourself as super intelligent and never wrong but you are on that one imo. As for the rest of the digs just carry on mate as i wont resort to your level and tbh you are just making yourself look like a complete tw@t.

[QPR Richard]

Is it insulting to say you are deluded? Have a look back and see which one of us has got his knickers twisted and had to resort to personal digs.

You do come across as a smug **** thats not used to having his opinion questioned though. Calling you "deluded" certainly has hit a nerve hasnt it? The statement you made about us moving into a 40k stadium or it will mean oblivion is nonsense Rich and therefore you are deluded to believe it yourself. Now i know you like to think of yourself as super intelligent and never wrong but you are on that one imo. As for the rest of the digs just carry on mate as i wont resort to your level and tbh you are just making yourself look like a complete tw@t.

What an idiot. Several successful businessmen are behind the project to build a new stadium and along comes little old Vblock thinking he knows better. Why don't you make the case instead of slagging people off?

The reason you can't is because all you can do is whine like a little weasel.

Come on V, tell us about your master plan and why you think you know better than the board?

[vblockranger]

What an idiot. Several successful businessmen are behind the project to build a new stadium and along comes little old Vblock thinking he knows better. Why don't you make the case instead of slagging people off?

The reason you can't is because all you can do is whine like a little weasel.

Come on V, tell us about your master plan and why you think you know better than the board?

Lol calm down and take a deep breath Rich
Just because i disagree with you doesnt mean you have to get all out of breath! Been over it all a hundred times with you so i am not going to type it all out again. You back Fernandes and the board to make the right decision for QPR...some of us do not. You think a 40k multi purpose stadium is the right way to go but i disagree....i think you are wrong and you are unable to convince me otherwise. Deal with it mate and move on ffs dont let it ruin your life

Just leave it now before you make it worse.

[QPR Richard]

Had an idea that some of the Gang of Four would pipe up.

I really wish you lot would put up a decent case instead of waffling about it. There's two sides to the argument. On one side, a number of fans are placing their trust in the owners, on the other there are those who believe that staying put is the key to a successful future.

If the case for staying was strong enough, then surely the board would do that. Why would they take a £200m gamble if they don't think it will work? I'm willing to bet they've done their homework and are convinced this is the right thing to do. Has anyone from the anti-mob done the same?

The Gang of Four has yet to put up a sound argument in favour of staying. Neither have they organised a protest against the move. If they truly believed it would wreck the club then surely, IF they really believed it, would organise a protest.

Come on guys, if you really believe a move would wreck the club then organise something to stop it. Put yourselves forward as the saviours of QPR FC.

You could call yourselves the QPR stay-at-homes

[vblockranger]

Had an idea that some of the Gang of Four would pipe up.

I really wish you lot would put up a decent case instead of waffling about it. There's two sides to the argument. On one side, a number of fans are placing their trust in the owners, on the other there are those who believe that staying put is the key to a successful future.

If the case for staying was strong enough, then surely the board would do that. Why would they take a £200m gamble if they don't think it will work? I'm willing to bet they've done their homework and are convinced this is the right thing to do. Has anyone from the anti-mob done the same?

The Gang of Four has yet to put up a sound argument in favour of staying. Neither have they organised a protest against the move. If they truly believed it would wreck the club then surely, IF they really believed it, would organise a protest.

Come on guys, if you really believe a move would wreck the club then organise something to stop it. Put yourselves forward as the saviours of QPR FC.

You could call yourselves the QPR stay-at-homes

And that was a Party Political Statement from the Leader of the Plastic Party

You just dont like being disagreed with is all ...bet you was a nightmare as a kid :-)
You want to move? ok i get that and i respect your opinion for the hundredth time but some fans dont want to. I thought you was the type to stick up for minorities?

[QPR Richard]

Now you aren't even reading our replies Richard !


* The board won't just build a new music venue because getting planning permission will be a heck of a lot easier with a football club attached to the proposal. As Mr Swakeley pointed out more eloquently than I can "THE FOOTBALL CLUB IS THE GOLDEN GOOSE" but maybe that's because I'm just a builder.

* You keep asking our feasibility study and business knowledge, my Ex was very high up in the marketing dept @ BA overseeing the relaunch of Concorde & I've never met so many wafflers and Billy BullSh1ters in my life ......... Come to think of it her dept also got rid of the UNION JACK TAILFINS because they were a global brand, and they'd done loads of 'studies' into what people wanted ..... Didn't want to listen to my opinion that it was called BRITISH AIRWAYS so the union flag goes hand in hand with the name.
That decision didn't last too long before it was changed back @ great expense.

I expect you also believed the government 'experts' whose study found that only a few thousand eastern europeans would turn up once we dropped the draw bridge too !

CLIVE WHITTINGHAM has done a very intelligent piece on the same subject in this months KICK UP THE R's

Anyway bring the shiny new future on ,

"HERE COMES THE NEW BOSS ...... SAME AS THE OLD BOSS" Pete Townsend

Funny that. As a member of UKIP, why would I believe anything the government said about the EU? What an odd comment to make.....

[vblockranger]

Why would the fans organize a protest? a protest agaisnt what? Tony's tweet? We have had no firm plans from the club as yet so lets all just wait and see. If it comes to a protest against some thing like this or changing the club colours/club name then i am up for it. Same as when we sang "Flabbio out!" outside the front door a few years ago while you was tucked up in bed next to Mrs Meldrew :-) If you are ITK about Tony's plans and the feasibility then please share otherwise sit down, shut the **** up and wait and see like the rest of us.

[QPR Richard]

Spot on this is with regards to fernandes and also dicky boys infatuation with him. It is good though in all of this ******** spouted by TF many fans just remain grounded and realistic. We coulld of had the Unigate site it was there for the taking , why did we not pursue that if TF wants a new stadium sooner rather than later. The old oak common site if it actually materilises its something like 10-12 years away from being achieved based on my knowledge of feasibilty studies for westfield.

Dickyboy is deluded , thinks he has all the answers but just quotes sound bites over and over from fernandes. By the way he posts he sounds quite naive if you started his coversation up on a saturday afternoon down the BQ you'd be laughed all the way up the Uxbridge Rd.

With the exception of maybe a 1/25 years season;

- We will never be a top six club
- Never fill a 40k stadium
- Never play in the champions league.

I base my knowledge and understanding on a 30 year feasibility study i've been undertaking, i might only be a lowly building site worker but i think i understand my club a bit better than TF / PB and their ****ing database.

You don't half talk some nonsense. The unigate dairy site has been earmarked for a housing development as part of the white city opportunity area project:

http://www.whitecityw12.co.uk/

And you claim to be W12 Ranger? Yeah, ok

[vblockranger]

You don't half talk some nonsense. The unigate dairy site has been earmarked for a housing development as part of the white city opportunity area project:

http://www.whitecityw12.co.uk/

And you claim to be W12 Ranger? Yeah, ok

Your not Marshy are you? showing some definate Marshy traits...you just cant stand being disagreed with. Makes you get all hot and bothered :-)

[QPR Richard]

Why would the fans organize a protest? a protest agaisnt what? Tony's tweet? We have had no firm plans from the club as yet so lets all just wait and see. If it comes to a protest against some thing like this or changing the club colours/club name then i am up for it. Same as when we sang "Flabbio out!" outside the front door a few years ago while you was tucked up in bed next to Mrs Meldrew :-) If you are ITK about Tony's plans and the feasibility then please share otherwise sit down, shut the **** up and wait and see like the rest of us.

Heres a reasonably reliable link with quotes from ITK people like Hammersmith and Fulham council leader Nicholas Botterill:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23793564

As you say, you're up for a protest, perhaps you should organise one before it's too late. Maybe you're already making preparations, who knows?

[vblockranger]

Heres a reasonably reliable link with quotes from ITK people like Hammersmith and Fulham council leader Nicholas Botterill:

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23793564

As you say, you're up for a protest, perhaps you should organise one before it's too late. Maybe you're already making preparations, who knows?

It will be sad to move tbh but lets wait and see what happens...dont know why you are making this into such a big thing tbh. (apart from the fact you are a loon who doesnt like having his opinion dismissed as delusional "40k or oblivion"