It's easy to fill a 40k stadium if it's priced right. Please read the post first

[Kirill]

I've always liked that Kirill, nice sensible mod !

Marry me.

[Stanley]

Group hug?

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[Buffalo]

Jeez. No wonder the Brighton mob want to sit with us............

[NW_Hoopz]

Marry me.

Only if you aren't allergic to roofies, ###X

[stanistheman]

Up to 20k Rangers fans, good start. Now then, the likes of Spurs Chelsea WHU Man Utd and Arsenal would easily bring 10k, which could be the away allocation for clubs if we're in the prem. That brings us up to 30k.

I would guess that most London clubs attract a certain amount of the tourist brigade, and also sell hospitality packages, and this would certainly apply to us being based in London at a new stadium. 10% of the new stadium's capacity could be given over for this. This brings us up to 34k.

This leaves just 6k for the expansion of the fan base, which would almost certainly happen playing in the prem in a new stadium. If we become an established prem club playing good football, it would introduce a new generation of supporter to the club. Remember, it isn't just about the here and now, it's about the next 50 years and beyond.

So then, 26k Rangers, 10k away fans, 4k tourists/hospitality.

A risk yes, but if as you say we have up to 20k fans, adding in away supporters takes us well over the halfway mark already.

I agree, but many on here only want die hard lifelong QPR supporters watching games.

I couldnt care less if 20,000 genuine fans turned up with 10,000 'floaters or glory hunters' and 7,000 visiting fans with 3,000 tourists.

As long as the stadium is full of paying fans, with the money going towards funding good proven quality signings to enable the team to challenge for and win trophies does it really matter that they did not support the club in the days of Wright, Power, Paladini and Briatore?

[brightonr]

I agree, but many on here only want die hard lifelong QPR supporters watching games.

I couldnt care less if 20,000 genuine fans turned up with 10,000 'floaters or glory hunters' and 7,000 visiting fans with 3,000 tourists.

As long as the stadium is full of paying fans, with the money going towards funding good proven quality signings to enable the team to challenge for and win trophies does it really matter that they did not support the club in the days of Wright, Power, Paladini and Briatore?

Good post. But you spelt Jim Gregory wrong.

[qpr4life]

The difference is

1. Ticket prices across the whole board will drop - Meaning more could justify coming
2. Prem football would make a huge difference.
3. Established prem team

Right now, NO we couldnt get more than 18K average in that place as we are league below etc

A stadium will attract more people and more away fans etc...

[vblockranger]

I agree, but many on here only want die hard lifelong QPR supporters watching games.

I couldnt care less if 20,000 genuine fans turned up with 10,000 'floaters or glory hunters' and 7,000 visiting fans with 3,000 tourists.

As long as the stadium is full of paying fans, with the money going towards funding good proven quality signings to enable the team to challenge for and win trophies does it really matter that they did not support the club in the days of Wright, Power, Paladini and Briatore?

Right i just need to know... that above sounds like Fulham. The same Fulham we have been taking the **** out of because of that above for years. Are we as fans prepared to go down the same road ? If we are then i (we) had better stop abusing Fulham fans who are on the same road but i little bit further along than us.
So do we just pretend it never happened? We have always been ok with the fact that Fulham need to fill their stadium with neutrals and tourists? Its all for the best and we have always repected Fulham fans and their club for taking the high road?
Not having a pop at you stanistheman because i can see completely where you are coming from but lets get it out in the open.....Do we as fans care if we now go the Fulham way? In a 40k stadium if only 20k are genuine QPR fans and the rest are neutral/tourists/away fans...how does that sit with you??

[stanistheman]

In my view if Fulham can pull 24k from crowds of 3k I see no reason why we cannot pull between 20k to 23k (home fans on a regular basis) as long as the product being served up is correct and its priced correctly.

I think its fair to say in modern day football top flight sides will take anything between 2k and 4k away from home so if we opt for the bigger figures of both I think gates of between 25k to 26k is not unrealistic. Leaves head room of 4k for the big games when more come out so for me a 30k stadium is sensible if were solely looking at our own needs.

Obviously stadium is multi purpose hence the suggestion of 40k which I am not against if it is built sensibly so unused areas can be shut off out of sight so the ground don't look empty. I suggested before shutters that perhaps come down to exclude parts of the ground which could also be used for advertising.One thing which I do struggle to get my head round is a 40k stadium for concerts but usually for concerts the bulk of fans are standing on the pitch so in situations were ground is being used for concerts surely your looking at a capacity in excess of 40k or am I being silly????

I have also suggested something similar. perhaps the shutters could be blacked out screens that makes the unused seats look like they belong to hospitality boxes. These could be at the top 5 or 10 rows in one or all of the stands making the capacity range from 32-40k so that it doesn't look empty in large parts of the ground.

Yes, of course there will be some games that dont attract big gates, like Stoke or Hull, but out of the currenet EPL clubs, games against Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal Spurs, West Ham, Fulham Palace Newcastle Sunderland Man City will attract big crowds swelled by the huge travelling support and fans of these clubs who now live in London.

The exiled fans will also apply to other clubs like Everton, Villa, WBA, Swansea, Cardiff, Whilst Norwich & Southampton are close enough for a large travelling support.

As long as 20,000 genuine life long & long term QPR fans are turning up I would expect gates of 25,000-30,000 and that's without taking into account the tourists, floaters and glory hunters.

[DeepcutHoop]

Right i just need to know... that above sounds like Fulham. The same Fulham we have been taking the **** out of because of that above for years. Are we as fans prepared to go down the same road ? If we are then i (we) had better stop abusing Fulham fans who are on the same road but i little bit further along than us.
So do we just pretend it never happened? We have always been ok with the fact that Fulham need to fill their stadium with neutrals and tourists? Its all for the best and we have always repected Fulham fans and their club for taking the high road?
Not having a pop at you stanistheman because i can see completely where you are coming from but lets get it out in the open.....Do we as fans care if we now go the Fulham way? In a 40k stadium if only 20k are genuine QPR fans and the rest are neutral/tourists/away fans...how does that sit with you??

Not everyone has been taking the **** out of Fulham. I couldn't give a stuff about them either way tbh.

New QPR fans have to come from somewhere other than being bred by current fans

If they come as neutrals they may leave as QPR fans. The issue seems to be that some fans are incredibly uncomfortable with fans being any different than themselves, and would actually prefer QPR to remain a team with a small supporter base with little success, than to have success but have to share that with others that are deemed less worthy.

[Stanley]

Not everyone has been taking the **** out of Fulham. I couldn't give a stuff about them either way tbh.

New QPR fans have to come from somewhere other than being bred by current fans

If they come as neutrals they may leave as QPR fans. The issue seems to be that some fans are incredibly uncomfortable with fans being any different than themselves, and would actually prefer QPR to remain a team with a small supporter base with little success, than to have success but have to share that with others that are deemed less worthy.

Seconded.

[vblockranger]

Not everyone has been taking the **** out of Fulham. I couldn't give a stuff about them either way tbh.

New QPR fans have to come from somewhere other than being bred by current fans

If they come as neutrals they may leave as QPR fans. The issue seems to be that some fans are incredibly uncomfortable with fans being any different than themselves, and would actually prefer QPR to remain a team with a small supporter base with little success, than to have success but have to share that with others that are deemed less worthy.

Personally, its true, i dont want to be a carbon copy of Fulham. Dont want our home ground half full of tourists/neutrals/corporate. Why? because we are QPR, not Fulham, not Chelsea, not a fillintheblank premiership team competing for mid table. Have no time for fans who turn up so they can see Rooney or Ozil play at our place. Would like success but not at the cost of losing who we are or what the club is. Not worth it just to appear in the Panini album and to play in the "glamorous" premiership.
TF installed Beard from day one so its obvious the boards plans has always been to acquire this nice West London venue and put Phil in charge (perfect for the job btw). We all wondered what they were really interested in when they took over little old QPR and now we know.
When i think back years past to all the different Chairmen and owners we have had there have been some who felt it was part of the job to safeguard the clubs interests and make decisions with the good of the club 100% on their mind. There have also been others who looked after their own interests before those of the club. I am not convinced i know which kind of Chairman Fernandes is yet but i worry that he seems the type of modern football chairman to always put his interests above the club's.

I will always support QPR whether these foreign businessmen decide to change the shirt or rename the team or even to move us from our home. Fernandes and the money men are just temporary caretakers of the club so we just have to hope they leave enough of QPR behind them when they are gone that we still recognise it as the great (to us) little club it is.

[QPR Richard]

Wow. People getting called p ricks for seeing us for what we are...a small club with a small fan base. Looks like someone Cant take other views on their precious 40k stadium.

So it's ok for me to be called d*ck but not for me to retaliate by calling someone a pr*ck?

Double standards methinks.

[vblockranger]

So it's ok for me to be called d*ck but not for me to retaliate by calling someone a pr*ck?

Double standards methinks.

Thought it was Dicky? not a d1ck? small margins and all that but fairs fair :-) And tbf i never called you anything but still get labelled as a pr1ck? Made yourself look a right pr*ck there Rich

Anyway your back now and got over you tantrum so lets all just be friends?

[QPR Richard]

What a numpty to get his panties all twisted because he cant force his opinion on some people. Marshy does the same. Superiority complex.

To you, everyone seems to be a numpty or a plum. You think it's acceptable to call people all sorts but get all hurt when people retaliate.