It's easy to fill a 40k stadium if it's priced right. Please read the post first

[vblockranger]

Well why don't you use the ignore button then if I upset you so much? I never realised my comments hurt you so deeply. How sad....

When you post about team selection and on the field stuff you really know you onions but its just the off field stuff that seems to sit in your craw whenever TF or the board get criticised. Not everyone is 100% happy with TF or Beard and not everyone wants to move from LR..its not rocket science.

[QPR Richard]

Rich..you even seem to get the ump when Beard or Fernandes are called derogatory names? why? do you think maybe you are taking it a tad to personally? :-)

Why do you feel you need to resort to abuse towards people? Everyone knows you dislike the chairman and the CEO. Everyone knows you're against improving the infrastructure of the club. Everyone knows you'd rather we played lower league football, but is there really any need for petty name calling?

[MrSwakeley]

Why do you feel you need to resort to abuse towards people? Everyone knows you dislike the chairman and the CEO. Everyone knows you're against improving the infrastructure of the club. Everyone knows you'd rather we played lower league football, but is there really any need for petty name calling?

Richard, You are very staunch in your opinions as always, which you are entitled to but you rather deflate any case you make by denouncing anyone who disagrees with you by blithely labelling them as as being anti-progress, and then further by descending into straw man argumenents by slagging off the poster - the very thing YOU complain about - rather than concentrating on the counter-argument. No matter how riled you might feel, two wrongs NEVER make a right. You support the board without any kind of checks and balances, and anyone who doesn't is somehow disloyal. And you are supporting them on pure supposition, or a couple of tweets a few months ago.

By immediately labelling anyone who disagrees with a 40,000 stadium as someone who hates Tony, or is somehow resistant to change is pathetic. What about people who fall in between - what are they? I have to admit, if I was some wide boy selling some tatty get-rich-quick scheme then I'd mail you immediately - you seem to give 100% faith to someone that hasn't presented you with any kind of business plan. Your faith in Tony is based on tweets and pr releases, unless you know something we don't. I assume you don't have an enquiring mind or don't believe in checks and balances? You keep demanding people present some kind of counter-plan, er what kind of counter plan? Andmaybe rather being a straw man, and slagging off anyone who doesn't agree with you, you engaged in proper debate. Some cynics may suggest you have some vested interest in this debate – and I was disappointed you didn;t have one single response to my, admittedly long post. on the stadium debate apart from the HS2 thing.

Your refusal to acknowledge or identify with the concerns of long-standing fans concerns me. You don't seem open to debate. I question your support of QPR. Not because of your opinions, more because you dismiss anyone who disagrees. Therefore, I suspect your first allegiance lies elsewhere.

[vblockranger]

Why do you feel you need to resort to abuse towards people? Everyone knows you dislike the chairman and the CEO. Everyone knows you're against improving the infrastructure of the club. Everyone knows you'd rather we played lower league football, but is there really any need for petty name calling?

If i feel the need to resort to abuse towards a board member then its my perogative isnt it? I want to improve the infrastructure but not at the expense of the clubs identity and history.....why do you feel so strongly about defending TF? Do you think that i might sometimes add in a derogatory term or two just to see you bite...every..single...time

[NW_Hoopz]

I think you should point the finger at Vblock and W12 before me. From what I recall, you found all the name calling amusing and seemed to back everything they said. That's why I believed you to be part of their little gang. I apologise if I am wrong, but if you have time, read back at the comments. I just fired back. It seems it's ok for V to go around calling all and sundry plums numpties and deluded, but you have jumped to his/her defence yet again. I don't see you having a pop at his/her abuse. No, just me. Hardly fair is it? You haven't said much about V calling anyone a plum, numpty or deluded have you?

This got personal when V kicked off. I lay the blame squarely at his/her door.

Also with W12, he insults just about everyone here with the exception of V. Not a word from you about that either.

I trust you can see why I put you in the same bracket as them.

Oi Oi Oi Richard I thought it was a 'gang of four' and I don't even get a mention, just when i got us some shiny new name tags too !

I'm in a clique for 2 minutes then I'm kicked out without so much as a by your leave ...........

You've upset me more than when you called us all pr1cks and bad mouthed people in the construction industry

[MrSwakeley]

Oi Oi Oi Richard I thought it was a 'gang of four' and I don't even get a mention, just when i got us some shiny new name tags too !

I'm in a clique for 2 minutes then I'm kicked out without so much as a by your leave ...........

You've upset me more than when you called us all pr1cks and bad mouthed people in the construction industry

Oik

[Buffalo]

At the risk of upsetting some people, and with no disrespect intended to anyone.......

This thread has turned to sh1t and into some kind of bitching contest. You are all starting to look a bit foolish now (to me, anyway). At a glance, nobody has actually made a point or reasoned argument for anything for the last 5 pages ffs.

Can't you all just agree to disagree to disagree, as has been suggested quite a few times already?

Yes, I know, alright, I'll f@ck off......

[MrSwakeley]

At the risk of upsetting some people, and with no disrespect intended to anyone.......

This thread has turned to sh1t and into some kind of bitching contest. You are all starting to look a bit foolish now (to me, anyway). At a glance, nobody has actually made a point or reasoned argument for anything for the last 5 pages ffs.

Can't you all just agree to disagree to disagree, as has been suggested quite a few times already?


Yes, I know, alright, I'll f@ck off......

I think my post on this page was relatively well-reasoned (especially for a Friday night) but I grudgingly respect your right to disagree.

[Buffalo]

I think my post on this page was relatively well-reasoned (especially for a Friday night) but I grudgingly respect your right to disagree.

I'm not sure I do disagree entirely. Your post of "Oik" is probably one of the better ones here. However, you should bear in mind that that is relatively speaking.

[QPR Richard]

Richard, You are very staunch in your opinions as always, which you are entitled to but you rather deflate any case you make by denouncing anyone who disagrees with you by blithely labelling them as as being anti-progress, and then further by descending into straw man argumenents by slagging off the poster - the very thing YOU complain about - rather than concentrating on the counter-argument. No matter how riled you might feel, two wrongs NEVER make a right. You support the board without any kind of checks and balances, and anyone who doesn't is somehow disloyal. And you are supporting them on pure supposition, or a couple of tweets a few months ago.

By immediately labelling anyone who disagrees with a 40,000 stadium as someone who hates Tony, or is somehow resistant to change is pathetic. What about people who fall in between - what are they? I have to admit, if I was some wide boy selling some tatty get-rich-quick scheme then I'd mail you immediately - you seem to give 100% faith to someone that hasn't presented you with any kind of business plan. Your faith in Tony is based on tweets and pr releases, unless you know something we don't. I assume you don't have an enquiring mind or don't believe in checks and balances? You keep demanding people present some kind of counter-plan, er what kind of counter plan? Andmaybe rather being a straw man, and slagging off anyone who doesn't agree with you, you engaged in proper debate. Some cynics may suggest you have some vested interest in this debate – and I was disappointed you didn;t have one single response to my, admittedly long post. on the stadium debate apart from the HS2 thing.

Your refusal to acknowledge or identify with the concerns of long-standing fans concerns me. You don't seem open to debate. I question your support of QPR. Not because of your opinions, more because you dismiss anyone who disagrees. Therefore, I suspect your first allegiance lies elsewhere.

I am going to take issue with your questioning my support of the club because you are way out of line with your suspicions. Not that I have to justify myself, but I will set the record straight.

Born in Neasden in 1964, my first game was in 1973. I bought shares in the club during the Chris Wright era, was a long-standing season ticket holder in LU, interviewed by Sky in 1996 at Portsmouth for the live game, interviewed by the BBC outside the ground during the Stuart Houston era. You'll also see me on sky outside the ground the day Joey Barton signed, when he was getting out of David Craig's car. The guys who run AKUTRS and In The Loft know me. I used to sit behind Dave Thomas in LU.

I could go on, but I don't see why I have to justify my support of the club to you or anyone else. My disagreement is with fans who believe we have a bright future remaining where we are. I do not hold that opinion. I want what I think is best for the club, and that's a move to a better stadium. I have put forward my reasons for why I think a move is in the best interests of the club for which I get abused.

It's all very well for people to talk about their opposition on here, but not a single fan has stepped up to organise a protest. Why is this? I've heard the argument about 'wait and see', but the new stadium plan is happening. Those who wish to remain, like VBlock and W12 Ranger, don't seem to be doing anything about organising a meeting with the board over their opposition to the move. Do you not think such people, who are vehement in their opposition to a move, should do something about it, rather than argue with little old me?

So many clubs have built new grounds over the years, and a large number have improved theirs. It is known that we cannot expand where we are, so what is the solution? If fans think staying in a sub-19k ground is the key to the future, fine, it's an opinion they hold but one i do not.

I put my faith in people like Tony and Amit and believe they are good for the club. I am glad they have gone down the route of a new training ground and academy, and I am looking forward to seeing the plans for the new stadium. I also approve of investment in playing staff, although I question most of the purchases made during the Hughes era.

What I would ask for is someone to make the economic case for staying at LR. I'm not talking about nostalgia, I mean a well-constructed case for remaining where we are. I was around during the days of the merger talks, the collapsed flotation, the buckets, and administration. Horrible days which I do not wish to return to.

Can I ask fans who wish to remain at LR, to put forward some opinions as to why they think remaining where we are will enhance us as a club? Rather than me trying to convince others that a move is in the best interests of the club, perhaps others should convince people like me that staying where we are is a better option.

[QPR Richard]

Oi Oi Oi Richard I thought it was a 'gang of four' and I don't even get a mention, just when i got us some shiny new name tags too !

I'm in a clique for 2 minutes then I'm kicked out without so much as a by your leave ...........

You've upset me more than when you called us all pr1cks and bad mouthed people in the construction industry

I'm sorry if you feel offended I bad mouthed people in the construction industry. It wasn't my intention. I've got several mates in that line of business and I respect people who make an honest living in whatever job they do.

Consider this. If there was no building work going on, like building new houses or new stadiums, where would the construction industry be then?

[W12_Ranger]

I am going to take issue with your questioning my support of the club because you are way out of line with your suspicions. Not that I have to justify myself, but I will set the record straight.

Born in Neasden in 1964, my first game was in 1973. I bought shares in the club during the Chris Wright era, was a long-standing season ticket holder in LU, interviewed by Sky in 1996 at Portsmouth for the live game, interviewed by the BBC outside the ground during the Stuart Houston era. You'll also see me on sky outside the ground the day Joey Barton signed, when he was getting out of David Craig's car. The guys who run AKUTRS and In The Loft know me. I used to sit behind Dave Thomas in LU.

I could go on, but I don't see why I have to justify my support of the club to you or anyone else. My disagreement is with fans who believe we have a bright future remaining where we are. I do not hold that opinion. I want what I think is best for the club, and that's a move to a better stadium. I have put forward my reasons for why I think a move is in the best interests of the club for which I get abused.

It's all very well for people to talk about their opposition on here, but not a single fan has stepped up to organise a protest. Why is this? I've heard the argument about 'wait and see', but the new stadium plan is happening. Those who wish to remain, like VBlock and W12 Ranger, don't seem to be doing anything about organising a meeting with the board over their opposition to the move. Do you not think such people, who are vehement in their opposition to a move, should do something about it, rather than argue with little old me?

So many clubs have built new grounds over the years, and a large number have improved theirs. It is known that we cannot expand where we are, so what is the solution? If fans think staying in a sub-19k ground is the key to the future, fine, it's an opinion they hold but one i do not.

I put my faith in people like Tony and Amit and believe they are good for the club. I am glad they have gone down the route of a new training ground and academy, and I am looking forward to seeing the plans for the new stadium. I also approve of investment in playing staff, although I question most of the purchases made during the Hughes era.

What I would ask for is someone to make the economic case for staying at LR. I'm not talking about nostalgia, I mean a well-constructed case for remaining where we are. I was around during the days of the merger talks, the collapsed flotation, the buckets, and administration. Horrible days which I do not wish to return to.

Can I ask fans who wish to remain at LR, to put forward some opinions as to why they think remaining where we are will enhance us as a club? Rather than me trying to convince others that a move is in the best interests of the club, perhaps others should convince people like me that staying where we are is a better option.

There you go again it's not about 'enhancing' us , some of us are happy at Loftus Road.

I don't want to see the club saddled with massive debt
I don't want to see a ground built which is twice the size of our needs
We will see a section of our support disappear if we moved, Old Oak Common is a bad location for a new ground and any major infrastructure improvements are a long way being realised
I don't want to see the club associated with buzz business words such as 'branding', 'project', 'multi purpose', 'global' …it's a PR disaster as we seen now fail twice
We will have to listen to endless chants of 'your grounds to big for you', which will continue down the pub, in the workplace etc

Anyway Dickyboy you keep saying it's going to happen , I don't believe it is. Am I opposed to a move entirely, no …but a 25k seat venue solely used for footballing purposes will do nicely but we will probably miss the boat on that due to our 'ambitious' owner. Therefore, I'm happy to stay where we are an who knows maybe in the future the opportunity may arise to expand Loftus Road

[NW_Hoopz]

Oik

Guilty as charged, your Honour.

I'm sorry if you feel offended I bad mouthed people in the construction industry. It wasn't my intention. I've got several mates in that line of business and I respect people who make an honest living in whatever job they do.

Consider this. If there was no building work going on, like building new houses or new stadiums, where would the construction industry be then?

Not entirely against a new stadium just the size of it.

Anything like the Olympics & it'll be only sausage rolls employed there anyway ..........

PS Don't forget what history tells us, plenty of people believed the hype about tower blocks being the shiny new future !

[vblockranger]

Richard, You are very staunch in your opinions as always, which you are entitled to but you rather deflate any case you make by denouncing anyone who disagrees with you by blithely labelling them as as being anti-progress, and then further by descending into straw man argumenents by slagging off the poster - the very thing YOU complain about - rather than concentrating on the counter-argument. No matter how riled you might feel, two wrongs NEVER make a right. You support the board without any kind of checks and balances, and anyone who doesn't is somehow disloyal. And you are supporting them on pure supposition, or a couple of tweets a few months ago.

By immediately labelling anyone who disagrees with a 40,000 stadium as someone who hates Tony, or is somehow resistant to change is pathetic. What about people who fall in between - what are they? I have to admit, if I was some wide boy selling some tatty get-rich-quick scheme then I'd mail you immediately - you seem to give 100% faith to someone that hasn't presented you with any kind of business plan. Your faith in Tony is based on tweets and pr releases, unless you know something we don't. I assume you don't have an enquiring mind or don't believe in checks and balances? You keep demanding people present some kind of counter-plan, er what kind of counter plan? Andmaybe rather being a straw man, and slagging off anyone who doesn't agree with you, you engaged in proper debate. Some cynics may suggest you have some vested interest in this debate – and I was disappointed you didn;t have one single response to my, admittedly long post. on the stadium debate apart from the HS2 thing.

Your refusal to acknowledge or identify with the concerns of long-standing fans concerns me. You don't seem open to debate. I question your support of QPR. Not because of your opinions, more because you dismiss anyone who disagrees. Therefore, I suspect your first allegiance lies elsewhere.

Top post Swakers!

[vblockranger]

Am I opposed to a move entirely, no …but a 25k seat venue solely used for footballing purposes will do nicely but we will probably miss the boat on that due to our 'ambitious' owner

Spot on W12